Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:34152) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S4jwL-0002P0-HA; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:16:00 -0800 Received: by wgbdt10 with SMTP id dt10sf2112581wgb.16 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCu5tX6BBoE68Hxwg@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.133.197 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.133.197; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCu5tX6BBoE68Hxwg@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.133.197 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCu5tX6BBoE68Hxwg@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCu5tX6BBoE68Hxwg@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.204.133.197]) by 10.204.133.197 with SMTP id g5mr6494217bkt.10.1331000135334 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:15:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=YP5oqzeudlTsgoFi1cCemb00Nxcep283dRyJ45cENoY=; b=PYH5hlaPK6rSddUeOO/H+vhB9OmNIrohO9enMsLX9TZ9o0WI6Nv7TQR3wyEAiJORxj F7JhmQmZa8SmSR17y5tkbhnGxpaJdKFWsh0hhAlggdCdvHy0tm+ThoArM4YPlB5ggw2w Lo4w6qMqGSo+iPUxmGTYhucAlYUrM1EwwPmiQ= Received: by 10.204.133.197 with SMTP id g5mr1918344bkt.10.1331000110767; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:15:10 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.165.76 with SMTP id h12ls9585bky.5.gmail; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:15:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.154.143 with SMTP id o15mr1779403bkw.4.1331000109057; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:15:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.154.143 with SMTP id o15mr1779402bkw.4.1331000109028; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:15:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f50.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ba12si20028083bkb.2.2012.03.05.18.15.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:15:09 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.50; Received: by lahm13 with SMTP id m13so7049255lah.23 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 10.152.110.6 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.110.6; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.152.110.6]) by 10.152.110.6 with SMTP id hw6mr20754270lab.8.1331000108715 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:15:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.110.6 with SMTP id hw6mr16995177lab.8.1331000108655; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 18:15:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <51823adf-768b-41b7-b401-854f6b76f85d@gr6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> References: <51823adf-768b-41b7-b401-854f6b76f85d@gr6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 19:15:08 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Just having trouble putting a sentence together in general... Think I figured it out From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54b48d0ac239e04ba899c74 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54b48d0ac239e04ba899c74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:08 PM, RexScientiarum wrote: > Okay thanks. > > .i mi cu pilno lo cmactatci lo nu catlu lo jurme > > was very similar to what I came up with first but I didn't know to use > nu (so it was wrong). Wow, abstractors are super useful then it seems. > I'll have to read up on them, but ".i mi cu zgana lo jurme le > cmactatci" is still acceptable right? > Yes. And again, you don't need cu after mi. > > On Mar 5, 7:45 pm, ".arpis." wrote: > > I'd say {mi catlu lo jurme sepi'o lo cmactatci} if you want to > > emphasize the looking portion (possibly use {lanli} instead of > > {catlu}) and {mi pilno lo cmactatci lo nu catlu lo jurme} if you want > > to emphasize the use of the microscope. Alternatively, {mi pilno lo > > cmactatci tu'a lo jurme} if you are okay with losing some precision > > (it's pretty clear what you're using a microscope to do to bacteria > > anyway. > > > > You could even say {cmactatci mi lo jurme} if you wanted to be > > particularly terse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:24 PM, RexScientiarum > wrote: > > > I am a little confused as to how I can make this sentence: > > > > > I use a microscope to look at the microbe. > > > > > I guess this is the best way to say this: > > > > > .i mi cu zgana lo jurme le cmactatci > > > > > At first I used pilno to say that I would use the microscope more like > > > I had originally envisioned the sentence in English but then I > > > couldn't figure out I could use that to say I 'used' the microscope to > > > 'look' at the microbe. There aren't enough sumti x spaces for that or > > > any direct way to relate that x1(I) am using x2(microscope) in manner > > > x3(to look at)....... a microbe..... right? > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:08 PM, RexScien= tiarum <amt2839@g= mail.com> wrote:
Okay thanks.

.i mi cu pilno lo cmactatci lo nu catlu lo jurme

was very similar to what I came up with first but I didn't know to use<= br> nu (so it was wrong). Wow, abstractors are super useful then it seems.
I'll have to read up on them, but ".i mi cu zgana lo jurme le
cmactatci" is still acceptable right?

Yes. An= d again, you don't need cu after mi.

On Mar 5, 7:45=A0pm, ".arpis." <rpglover64+jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd say {mi catlu lo jurme sepi'o lo cmactatci} if you want to=
> emphasize the looking portion (possibly use {lanli} instead of
> {catlu}) and {mi pilno lo cmactatci lo nu catlu lo jurme} if you want<= br> > to emphasize the use of the microscope. Alternatively, {mi pilno lo > cmactatci tu'a lo jurme} if you are okay with losing some precisio= n
> (it's pretty clear what you're using a microscope to do to bac= teria
> anyway.
>
> You could even say {cmactatci mi lo jurme} if you wanted to be
> particularly terse.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:24 PM, RexScientiarum= <amt2...@gmail.com> wrote:<= br> > > I am a little confused as to how I can make this sentence:
>
> > I use a microscope to look at the microbe.
>
> > I guess this is the best way to say this:
>
> > .i mi cu zgana lo jurme le cmactatci
>
> > At first I used pilno to say that I would use the microscope more= like
> > I had originally envisioned the sentence in English but then I > > couldn't figure out I could use that to say I 'used' = the microscope to
> > 'look' at the microbe. =A0There aren't enough sumti x= spaces for that or
> > any direct way to relate that x1(I) am using x2(microscope) in ma= nner
> > x3(to look at)....... a microbe..... right?
>
> > --
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> mu'o mi'e .arpis.

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