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<51823adf-768b-41b7-b401-854f6b76f85d@gr6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> From: ".arpis." Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:33:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Just having trouble putting a sentence together in general... Think I figured it out To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / You also probably don't want to use {le}. My heuristic is that any time you would use an infinitive in English (or another similar natlang) you probably want to consider using an abstractor in lojban. On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:08 PM, RexScientiarum wrote: > Okay thanks. > > .i mi cu pilno lo cmactatci lo nu catlu lo jurme > > was very similar to what I came up with first but I didn't know to use > nu (so it was wrong). Wow, abstractors are super useful then it seems. > I'll have to read up on them, but ".i mi cu zgana lo jurme le > cmactatci" is still acceptable right? > > On Mar 5, 7:45=A0pm, ".arpis." wrote: >> I'd say {mi catlu lo jurme sepi'o lo cmactatci} if you want to >> emphasize the looking portion (possibly use {lanli} instead of >> {catlu}) and {mi pilno lo cmactatci lo nu catlu lo jurme} if you want >> to emphasize the use of the microscope. Alternatively, {mi pilno lo >> cmactatci tu'a lo jurme} if you are okay with losing some precision >> (it's pretty clear what you're using a microscope to do to bacteria >> anyway. >> >> You could even say {cmactatci mi lo jurme} if you wanted to be >> particularly terse. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:24 PM, RexScientiarum wrote= : >> > I am a little confused as to how I can make this sentence: >> >> > I use a microscope to look at the microbe. >> >> > I guess this is the best way to say this: >> >> > .i mi cu zgana lo jurme le cmactatci >> >> > At first I used pilno to say that I would use the microscope more like >> > I had originally envisioned the sentence in English but then I >> > couldn't figure out I could use that to say I 'used' the microscope to >> > 'look' at the microbe. =A0There aren't enough sumti x spaces for that = or >> > any direct way to relate that x1(I) am using x2(microscope) in manner >> > x3(to look at)....... a microbe..... right? >> >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro= ups "Lojban Beginners" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubsc= ribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/lo= jban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .arpis. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.