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Use {le} when you are referring to something you specifically have in mind.

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:52 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:

> I haven't heard of a good consensus of when to use {le}.
>
> My impression is that {lo} should be the default unless you have
> reason stronger than specificity. *ba'e* {le} is not "the".
>
> I personally only use it when I want to emphasize the fact that the
> sumti may not technically fit the selbri, mu'i {le cribe} to refer to
> a teddy-bear; unlike pre-xorlo, however, {lo cribe} is unquestionably
> still correct in that case.
>
> I guess I might also use it to clarify/emphasize subjectivity: {lo
> xagrai cmaxi'a} might not have a clear referent, but if I say {le
> xagrai cmaxi'a}, I'm clearly talking about Rainbow Dash.
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> > On Monday, March 05, 2012 21:49:33 RexScientiarum wrote:
> >> If I was was talking about a specific microbe I was  observing I could
> >> use {le} right?
> >
> > Yes, and likewise if you're using a specific microscope. Use of articles
> in
> > Lojban is somewhat different from use of articles in English (or French
> or any
> > other language that has articles).
> >
> > Pierre
> > --
> > .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do
> > .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga
> > .icu'u la ma'atman.
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Use {le} when you are referring to something you specifically have in mind.=
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:52 PM, .arpis. =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rpglover64%2Bjbobau@gmail.com">rpgl=
over64+jbobau@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I haven&#39;t heard of a good consensus of w=
hen to use {le}.<br>
<br>
My impression is that {lo} should be the default unless you have<br>
reason stronger than specificity. *ba&#39;e* {le} is not &quot;the&quot;.<b=
r>
<br>
I personally only use it when I want to emphasize the fact that the<br>
sumti may not technically fit the selbri, mu&#39;i {le cribe} to refer to<b=
r>
a teddy-bear; unlike pre-xorlo, however, {lo cribe} is unquestionably<br>
still correct in that case.<br>
<br>
I guess I might also use it to clarify/emphasize subjectivity: {lo<br>
xagrai cmaxi&#39;a} might not have a clear referent, but if I say {le<br>
xagrai cmaxi&#39;a}, I&#39;m clearly talking about Rainbow Dash.<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Pierre Abbat &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@ph=
ma.optus.nu">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; On Monday, March 05, 2012 21:49:33 RexScientiarum wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; If I was was talking about a specific microbe I was =A0observing I=
 could<br>
&gt;&gt; use {le} right?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Yes, and likewise if you&#39;re using a specific microscope. Use of ar=
ticles in<br>
&gt; Lojban is somewhat different from use of articles in English (or Frenc=
h or any<br>
&gt; other language that has articles).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Pierre<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; .i toljundi do .ibabo mi&#39;afra tu&#39;a do<br>
&gt; .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga<br>
&gt; .icu&#39;u la ma&#39;atman.<br>
&gt;<br>
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