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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:56:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Just having trouble putting a sentence together in general... Think I figured it out To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / doi .aionys. Can you justify that prescription? pe'i That's malgli, but I speak Russian fluently, and that my account for my opinion. On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Use {le} when you are referring to something you specifically have in min= d. > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:52 PM, .arpis. wro= te: >> >> I haven't heard of a good consensus of when to use {le}. >> >> My impression is that {lo} should be the default unless you have >> reason stronger than specificity. *ba'e* {le} is not "the". >> >> I personally only use it when I want to emphasize the fact that the >> sumti may not technically fit the selbri, mu'i {le cribe} to refer to >> a teddy-bear; unlike pre-xorlo, however, {lo cribe} is unquestionably >> still correct in that case. >> >> I guess I might also use it to clarify/emphasize subjectivity: {lo >> xagrai cmaxi'a} might not have a clear referent, but if I say {le >> xagrai cmaxi'a}, I'm clearly talking about Rainbow Dash. >> >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote= : >> > On Monday, March 05, 2012 21:49:33 RexScientiarum wrote: >> >> If I was was talking about a specific microbe I was =A0observing I co= uld >> >> use {le} right? >> > >> > Yes, and likewise if you're using a specific microscope. Use of articl= es >> > in >> > Lojban is somewhat different from use of articles in English (or Frenc= h >> > or any >> > other language that has articles). >> > >> > Pierre >> > -- >> > .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do >> > .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga >> > .icu'u la ma'atman. >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .arpis. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. --=20 mu'o mi'e .arpis. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.