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[69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e44si11292816yhk.0.2012.03.06.12.40.18; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 12:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from darner.ixazon.lan (darner.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.5]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0A361A19C for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 15:40:15 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "me too" in Lojban Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 15:40:10 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (DragonFly/3.1-DEVELOPMENT; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: <32859217.3726.1330958158411.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbed8> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201203061540.10768.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Tuesday, March 06, 2012 14:26:16 Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:22 AM, Janek wrote: > > On 6 March 2012 02:38, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > abu: mi nelci ti > > > by: ji'a go'i > >=20 > > {go'ira'o}, not {go'i} >=20 > No. It's just go'i. >=20 > The expansion on the above is not >=20 > abu: mi nelci ti > by: ji'a do nelci ti >=20 > It is >=20 > abu: mi nelci ti > by: ji'a mi nelci ti Since "mi" is not explicit in the sentence with "go'i", it still refers to = A.=20 With "ra'o", the implicit "mi" would refer to B. If A pointed to something close to A but far from B and said "mi nelci ti",= =20 and B said "ji'a go'i ra'o", would B be stating that he likes something clo= se=20 to B and far from A? > ra'o is needed to distinguish between >=20 > A: mi lumci le mi karce > B: mi go'i >=20 > A: I wash my car. > B: I wash A=92s car. "go'i" with no subject would mean "A washes A's car". > and >=20 > A: mi lumci le mi karce > B: mi go'i ra'o >=20 > A: I wash my car. > B: I wash B=92s car. --=20 lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.