Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:52198) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S6KHD-0001qG-OV; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:15:59 -0800 Received: by ggmi2 with SMTP id i2sf2813118ggm.16 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:15:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Me0RzRNL+Enyk/eM9bD+xDe5Vi68Azwk6zL+CvDQZ+g=; b=EO1M+N+o6xn3frB3zCmht8YMcykvuKynaWBv7iE1/mjL4OOAyfkXO/fk0dQHx+EI8y DciMCAoMRbjryL6j673io7udfIY64zTFMvh//jz96W6q2/Rtl8qVJS18ArrUBIBEerwX 7hBtcfyrKY89QQVm3SikU7PR2ckZW7p7GhoRo= Received: by 10.50.149.194 with SMTP id uc2mr1717515igb.1.1331378124773; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:15:24 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.163.70 with SMTP id z6ls9603238ibx.1.gmail; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.158.229 with SMTP id wx5mr2699329igb.0.1331378124104; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.158.229 with SMTP id wx5mr2699328igb.0.1331378124088; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qn10si1053267igc.1.2012.03.10.03.15.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.169; Received: by mail-iy0-f169.google.com with SMTP id r24so4985114iaj.14 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:15:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.45.202 with SMTP id p10mr652640igm.52.1331378124011; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.133.73 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:15:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <69c3ad44-e2b2-4f03-bd24-78cb8ea5c3b8@l14g2000vbe.googlegroups.com> References: <69c3ad44-e2b2-4f03-bd24-78cb8ea5c3b8@l14g2000vbe.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 12:15:23 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] selpre/personality From: Remo Dentato To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:36 AM, jongausib wrote: > Is the lujvo selpre really legal, since the gismu prenu doesn't have a > second place? I think it is. First of all, a bridi includes as many sumti are there, regardless of whether the selbri has a definition for all the sumti places or not. The interpretation of undefined sumti is left to the reader and should be desumed by the context. It's a feature that shouldn't be abused, I think, but if I say {mi sipna lo ckana} I'm rather sure you will get that "I sleep in the bed" even if sipna2 is not defined. (You are of course authorized to understand otherwise if you want). That said, once a lujvo is created, It's a creator's responsability to assing a meaning to it and to its sumti places. Hopefully the meaning will be related to the orignal meaning of the rafsi, but there's no strict rule. So, to me, {selpre} is a valid word and assigning "personality" to it seems a sensible choice. The gloss for {prenu} also have: "x1 displays personality/ a persona" (not sure what this means, in English, though). remod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.