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On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 5:15 AM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:36 AM, jongausib <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Is the lujvo selpre really legal, since the gismu prenu doesn't have a
> > second place?
>
> I think it is.
>
> First of all, a bridi includes as many sumti are there, regardless of
> whether the selbri has a definition for all the sumti places or not.
>
> The interpretation of undefined sumti is left to the reader and should
> be desumed by the context. It's a feature that shouldn't be abused, I
> think,  but if I say  {mi sipna lo ckana} I'm rather sure you will get
> that "I sleep in the bed" even if sipna2 is not defined. (You are of
> course authorized to understand otherwise if you want).
>
> That said, once a lujvo is created, It's a creator's responsability to
> assing a meaning to it and to its sumti places. Hopefully the meaning
> will be related to the orignal meaning of the rafsi, but there's no
> strict rule.
>
> So, to me, {selpre} is a valid word and assigning "personality" to it
> seems a sensible choice. The gloss for {prenu} also have: "x1 displays
> personality/ a persona" (not sure what this means, in English,
> though).
>
> remod
>
>
>
I would see the usage "X1 displays personality/a persona" as meaning the
same thing as when a diagnostician says that a patient presents a symptom.
It describes what is observed without implying the mechanism which might be
producing the behavior.

mi'e brais


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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 5:15 AM, Remo De=
ntato <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rdentato@gmail.com">rdentato@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:36 AM, jongausib &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:so.cool.ogi@gmail.com">so.cool.ogi@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Is the lujvo selpre really legal, since the gismu prenu doesn&#39;t ha=
ve a<br>
&gt; second place?<br>
<br>
</div>I think it is.<br>
<br>
First of all, a bridi includes as many sumti are there, regardless of<br>
whether the selbri has a definition for all the sumti places or not.<br>
<br>
The interpretation of undefined sumti is left to the reader and should<br>
be desumed by the context. It&#39;s a feature that shouldn&#39;t be abused,=
 I<br>
think, =A0but if I say =A0{mi sipna lo ckana} I&#39;m rather sure you will =
get<br>
that &quot;I sleep in the bed&quot; even if sipna2 is not defined. (You are=
 of<br>
course authorized to understand otherwise if you want).<br>
<br>
That said, once a lujvo is created, It&#39;s a creator&#39;s responsability=
 to<br>
assing a meaning to it and to its sumti places. Hopefully the meaning<br>
will be related to the orignal meaning of the rafsi, but there&#39;s no<br>
strict rule.<br>
<br>
So, to me, {selpre} is a valid word and assigning &quot;personality&quot; t=
o it<br>
seems a sensible choice. The gloss for {prenu} also have: &quot;x1 displays=
<br>
personality/ a persona&quot; (not sure what this means, in English,<br>
though).<br>
<br>
remod<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I would see the usage &quot;X1 displays =
personality/a persona&quot; as meaning the same thing as when a diagnostici=
an says that a patient presents a symptom. It describes what is observed wi=
thout implying the mechanism which might be producing the behavior.<br>
<br>mi&#39;e brais<br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>The World is a magical p=
lace, waiting for our senses to grow sharper.<br>

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