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On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <
felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:

> So, I got
>
> On 9 March 2012 18:12, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> > mi mitre li papimu .i lo nunctuca cu cacra li papimu .i mi se mitre lo =
se
> > cacre be lo nunctuca
> >
>
> vs.
>
> On 10 March 2012 17:43, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> > la'e lo se mitre cu namcu .i lo se mitre cu klani lo namcu losi'o gradu
> lo
> > gugykruca loka clani
> >
>
>
> The first one suggests that lo se mitre and lo se cacra are plain numbers=
,
> while the second states that lo se mitre is something more complicated
> which refers to a number.
>

No they don't. The first one says that "I am 5 meters long. An event of
teaching is 5 hours long. I am a-number-of-meters-measuring
something-measured-in-hours which-is an-event-of teaching."

The second one says "The referent of something-that-is-measured-in-meters
is a-number. Something-measured-in-meters is a-quantity measured-by
a-number in-scale the-idea-of a unit of-standard the-international in-scale
the-property-of being long".

The two are wholly unrelated statements.


> pier and aionys, could you please answer yes or no to whether each of the
> example sentences given by me or each other makes sense?
>
> mu'o
> mi'e .asiz.
>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Felipe Gon=E7al=
ves Assis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:felipeg.assis@gmail.com">=
felipeg.assis@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex">
So, I got<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
On 9 March 2012 18:12, Pierre Abbat &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.n=
u">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; mi mitre li papimu .i lo nunctuca cu cacra li papimu .i mi se mitre lo=
 se<br>
&gt; cacre be lo nunctuca<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div>vs.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
On 10 March 2012 17:43, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.=
com">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; la&#39;e lo se mitre cu namcu .i lo se mitre cu klani lo namcu losi&#3=
9;o gradu lo<br>
&gt; gugykruca loka clani<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>The first one suggests that lo se mitre and lo se cacra are plain num=
bers,<br>
while the second states that lo se mitre is something more complicated<br>
which refers to a number.<br></blockquote><div><br>No they don&#39;t. The f=
irst one says that &quot;I am 5 meters long. An event of teaching is 5 hour=
s long. I am a-number-of-meters-measuring something-measured-in-hours which=
-is an-event-of teaching.&quot;<br>
<br>The second one says &quot;The referent of something-that-is-measured-in=
-meters is a-number. Something-measured-in-meters is a-quantity measured-by=
 a-number in-scale the-idea-of a unit of-standard the-international in-scal=
e the-property-of being long&quot;.<br>
<br>The two are wholly unrelated statements.<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

pier and aionys, could you please answer yes or no to whether each of the<b=
r>
example sentences given by me or each other makes sense?<br>
<br>
mu&#39;o<br>
mi&#39;e .asiz.<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi=
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uk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. =
:D )<br>
<br>

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