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So what about {paunai ri'a ma mutce ni mi tatpi}? ta'unai {paunai ri'a
ma da mutce gi'e ni mi tatpi}.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:19 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> At the time I wrote that, I was tired enough to think that {mu'i} was
>> right. Silly me. Yes, {ri'a} is what I meant.
>>
>> I would read {paunai ri'a ma mi mutce tatpi} as "Why am I very tired?"
>>
>> My initial thought was (correcting for the causal) {ri'a ma paunai ni
>> mi tatpi kei fa li so'e} - "Why is the degree to which I'm tired high
>> [on the obvious scale]?"
>
>
> Yeah, the "high" part is why I said mutce.
>
>>
>> I thought to leave the first place empty and let pragmatics indicate
>> that there was something unusual about the degree to which I was tired
>> (or else I wouldn't be asking the rhetorical question). Now that I
>> think about it, it could equally well mean "Why am I so not-tired?"
>>
>> My justification for using {ni} as opposed to {mutce} is to call
>> attention to the degree of my tiredness as unusual. I know why I'm
>> very tired: I only got 5 hours of sleep. What I don't know is why I
>> feel more tired today than on other days when I've gotten 5 hours of
>> sleep.
>>
>> ki'e
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:36 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I don't think {mu'i} is the correct choice here, you're not tired
>> > because something motivates you (or are you?). I would use {ri'a},
>> > because tiredness is your physical reaction.
>> > And {ni} is not quite right pe'i. You're saying "Why [something] is a
>> > quantity of my tiredness [measured on some scale]". xorxes translate
>> > "so" as {tai}, but I doubt it's always good. Personally I would
>> > translate it as {paunai ri'a ma mi mutce tatpi}, but this may be
>> > controversial. "So" is so strange a word...
>> >
>> > mu'o mi'e ianek
>> >
>> > On 12 Mar, 22:03, ".arpis." <rpglover64+jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> {.i mu'i ma pau nai ni mi tatpi}
>> >>
>> >> Also, I think I might be getting blocked by a spam filter or something
>> >> (Either that or my questions and responses are really boring).
>> >> {e'o ko doi da spuda}
>> >> Please someone respond.
>> >>
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