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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 5:15 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

> Of course I know that Pandunia lacks other nice features.
> I want Lojban to be the best in every feature, not most features. It's not
> a competition.
> The victory over other logical projects must be total.
>
> The question is similar to recent discussion about {kakne} - x1 is capable
> of {x2} which accomplishes the requirement of pivotal sentences whereas
> many other gismu do not.
> {mi cpedu lonu do rinsa [ko'a,zo'e,lo prenu, etc.]} is not the answer.
> It's too ambiguous. Where is x3 ? Who are you asking this for ?
>

I don't agree that that is ambiguous. If I'm talking to a specific person,
and I say that TO that specific person, I think context alone makes it
quite clear that the elided cpedu3 is {do}.

After all, who else is capable of causing the event of {do rinsa ko'a},
besides {do}? Nobody. Context alone therefore dictates that {lo te cpedu}
must be {do}.

It is true that being explicit in Lojban has the effect of making
utterances longer, and that redundancies will occur, however, you don't
HAVE to be explicit about everything, and leaving things to context when it
is possible to do so tends to make Lojban utterances shorter than the
natlang counterparts.

A major advantage of Lojban - at least IMO - is that it is possible to
leave quite a lot up to context- something which Asians languages (and
possibly others, I don't know) have, but languages like English do not.

-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 5:15 AM, gleki <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com">gleki.is.my.name=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
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Of course I know that Pandunia lacks other nice features.<div>I want Lojban=
 to be the best in every feature, not most features. It&#39;s not a competi=
tion.=A0</div><div>The victory over other logical projects must be total.</=
div>
<div><br><div>The question is similar to recent discussion about {kakne} - =
x1 is capable of {x2} which accomplishes the requirement of pivotal sentenc=
es whereas many other gismu do not.</div><div>{mi cpedu lonu do rinsa [ko&#=
39;a,zo&#39;e,lo prenu, etc.]} is not the answer. It&#39;s too ambiguous. W=
here is x3 ? Who are you asking this for ?</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br>I don&#39;t agree that that is ambiguous. If I&=
#39;m talking to a specific person, and I say that TO that specific person,=
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<br>
<br>After all, who else is capable of causing the event of {do rinsa ko&#39=
;a}, besides {do}? Nobody. Context alone therefore dictates that {lo te cpe=
du} must be {do}.<br><br>It is true that being explicit in Lojban has the e=
ffect of making utterances longer, and that redundancies will occur, howeve=
r, you don&#39;t HAVE to be explicit about everything, and leaving things t=
o context when it is possible to do so tends to make Lojban utterances shor=
ter than the natlang counterparts.<br>
<br>A major advantage of Lojban - at least IMO - is that it is possible to=
=20
leave quite a lot up to context- something which Asians languages (and=20
possibly others, I don&#39;t know) have, but languages like English do not.=
<br></div></div><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai =
ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to =
the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>
<br>

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