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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Major flaw in Lojban ! (was:Pivotal sentences
 in Pandunia. How to express them in Lojban ?)
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On 16 March 2012 14:52, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
>> OK. At least I can express=A0"I want to sleep"=A0as "mi djica lo nu ri s=
ipna"
>> and I have to memorise just {lonuri}, a lengthy but practical string.
>
>
> There's an implicit {ce'u} there. You don't need {ri} because it's alread=
y
> assumed.
> {mi djica lo nu sipna} is {mi djica lo nu ce'u sipna} is {mi djica lo nu =
mi
> sipna} is {mi djica lo nu mi sipna vau kei ku vau}.
>

There is no implicit {ce'u}. Implicit {ce'u} only happen in ka-abstractions=
,
where a {ce'u} must occur. {mi djica lo nu sipna} could very well be
used to mean {mi djica lo nu lo cifnu cu sipna} or even
{mi djica lo nu da sipna}.

By the way, I never understood why nu-abstractions are used in djica2.
There is no specific event you desire for. You just want an event with cert=
ain
properties to happen. Maybe the more abstract {du'u} would express that?

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