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    wrote: > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 04:57:58PM -0700, Lindar wrote: > > UI is
    not a replacement for whole phrases. 《.au mi sipna》means > > 《mi sipna》
    and you feel desire about it. 《.e'o rinsa》 means > > 《rinsa》 and
   you're suggesting something by it. > > That is not currently the case in the
    language, as you are well > aware, given your note at the end of > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section:%20Irrealis%20Attitudinals
    > > {.au mi sipna} most definitely does *not* currently assert {mi > sipna}.
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 04:57:58PM -0700, Lindar wrote:
> > UI is not a replacement for whole phrases. =E3=80=8A.au mi sipna=E3=80=
=8Bmeans
> > =E3=80=8Ami sipna=E3=80=8B and you feel desire about it. =E3=80=8A.e'o =
rinsa=E3=80=8B means
> > =E3=80=8Arinsa=E3=80=8B and you're suggesting something by it.
>
> That is not currently the case in the language, as you are well
> aware, given your note at the end of
> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section:%20Irrealis%20Attitudinals
>
> {.au mi sipna} most definitely does *not* currently assert {mi
> sipna}.
>
> -Robin
>

My understanding of that note means that it could mean any combination of
"I desire that I sleep." and "I'm sleeping, about which I feel desire."

Personally, I don't see much use for the second interpretation, but based
on the note, it's a valid one.

--=20
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Robin Lee Powel=
l <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org">rlpo=
well@digitalkingdom.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 04:57:58PM -0700, Lindar wrote:<b=
r>
&gt; UI is not a replacement for whole phrases. =E3=80=8A.au mi sipna=E3=80=
=8Bmeans<br>
&gt; =E3=80=8Ami sipna=E3=80=8B and you feel desire about it. =E3=80=8A.e&#=
39;o rinsa=E3=80=8B means<br>
&gt; =E3=80=8Arinsa=E3=80=8B and you&#39;re suggesting something by it.<br>
<br>
</div>That is not currently the case in the language, as you are well<br>
aware, given your note at the end of<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section:%20Irrealis%20Attitudi=
nals" target=3D"_blank">http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section:%20Irreal=
is%20Attitudinals</a><br>
<br>
{.au mi sipna} most definitely does *not* currently assert {mi<br>
sipna}.<br>
<br>
-Robin<font color=3D"#888888"></font><br></blockquote></div><br>My understa=
nding of that note means that it could mean any combination of &quot;I desi=
re that I sleep.&quot; and &quot;I&#39;m sleeping, about which I feel desir=
e.&quot;<br>
<br>Personally, I don&#39;t see much use for the second interpretation, but=
 based on the note, it&#39;s a valid one.<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#3=
9;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i=
 doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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