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 Content preview:  On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 07:05:32PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
    > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
    wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 04:57:58PM -0700, Lindar wrote: > >
   > UI is not a replacement for whole phrases. 《.au mi > > > sipna》means
    《mi sipna》 and you feel desire about it. 《.e'o > > > rinsa》 means
    《rinsa》 and you're suggesting something by it. > > > > That is not currently
    the case in the language, as you are well > > aware, given your note at the
    end of > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section:%20Irrealis%20Attitudinals
    > > > > {.au mi sipna} most definitely does *not* currently assert {mi >
   > sipna}. > > > > -Robin > > > > My understanding of that note means that
   it could mean any > combination of "I desire that I sleep." and "I'm sleeping,
    about > which I feel desire." > > Personally, I don't see much use for the
    second interpretation, > but based on the note, it's a valid one. [...] 
 
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 07:05:32PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>=20
> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 04:57:58PM -0700, Lindar wrote:
> > > UI is not a replacement for whole phrases. =E3=80=8A.au mi
> > > sipna=E3=80=8Bmeans =E3=80=8Ami sipna=E3=80=8B and you feel desire ab=
out it. =E3=80=8A.e'o
> > > rinsa=E3=80=8B means =E3=80=8Arinsa=E3=80=8B and you're suggesting so=
mething by it.
> >
> > That is not currently the case in the language, as you are well
> > aware, given your note at the end of
> > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section:%20Irrealis%20Attitudinals
> >
> > {.au mi sipna} most definitely does *not* currently assert {mi
> > sipna}.
> >
> > -Robin
> >
>=20
> My understanding of that note means that it could mean any
> combination of "I desire that I sleep." and "I'm sleeping, about
> which I feel desire."
>=20
> Personally, I don't see much use for the second interpretation,
> but based on the note, it's a valid one.

Sure, if you read *the note*.  The note is Lindar's opinion, it is
not the current state of the language.  The current state is
represented by the rest of the page.

-Robin

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