Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:41134) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S90cS-0001YA-J2; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:53:02 -0700 Received: by obbup19 with SMTP id up19sf231401obb.16 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:52:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-pair-authenticated:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=Hbt38EeEW9nGwYnL4uXydf1qYV8bIyx9xWcJbQA2sdY=; b=AlXsw/qEO6PnDVVfwDbqsVlSyylextfnqcvA4rUqnr6lRaIbzyc5lwpTcbFYxQMtul DYL+LM/FObpSmpziFWT3BAQ3iWIz43yDof70+9q1cqm0n3tey0Janry+ylx90n1ksFik +Nhmy6mVuJc8ErLlltuGihG7uzQXKGFbsht4c= Received: by 10.50.216.133 with SMTP id oq5mr942599igc.4.1332017549141; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:52:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.27 with SMTP id a27ls8147051ibk.4.gmail; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.159.9 with SMTP id j9mr3853658icx.6.1332017548454; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.159.9 with SMTP id j9mr3853656icx.6.1332017548441; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay01.pair.com (relay01.pair.com. [209.68.5.15]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id t9si895543igb.1.2012.03.17.13.52.28; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.15 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) client-ip=209.68.5.15; Received: (qmail 99972 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2012 20:52:27 -0000 Received: from 87.160.144.165 (HELO ?192.168.1.33?) (87.160.144.165) by relay01.pair.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2012 20:52:27 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 87.160.144.165 Message-ID: <4F64F98D.1050201@plasmatix.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:52:29 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Brivla version of {po'e} References: <9b95fcc0-7e60-49b7-8b6a-7910d5eb231a@y10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9b95fcc0-7e60-49b7-8b6a-7910d5eb231a@y10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> X-Original-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.15 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) smtp.mail=m3o@plasmatix.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / po'e = jinzi ke se steci srana If you want to have a short brivla, you can turn it into {jizytecra'a} mu'o mi'e la selpa'i Am 17.03.2012 09:27, schrieb ianek: > When discussing the Lojban translation of the Ceqli comic, an issue > came up. > It seems that there's no brivla with similar meaning to {po'e}, which > makes it special in GOI (well, {goi} doesn't have one too, but it's > understandable). > What I exactly mean is that: {ko'a pe ko'e} means {ko'a poi srana > ko'e} (or maybe {ckini} is better? I don't know) and likewise {po} > corresponds to {ponse} and {po'u}/{no'u} to {du} (which is not exactly > a brivla, but whatever). > I don't know any brivla meaning something like {x1 belongs to x2; > inalienable possession} and I think there should exist such. > > mu'o mi'e ianek > -- .i da xamgu ganse fi no na'ebo lo risna .i lo vajrai cu nonselji'u lo kanla -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.