Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:61997) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S9yvg-0007Zl-CL; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:16:55 -0700 Received: by wera1 with SMTP id a1sf8392wer.16 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:16:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5axeMoSv5EQdbreVSdx1WGTFSJ689sYHAgaNxy50T+8=; b=PiwkVlj4rT0H07O0Ftpxaf2x1ocjeuRDgHFlipudlrRVZZ6JHEOocTZELiC1HVztKD bpZtjKArtimZeITbHya1H4Sppv1kURCZXvlGI0aTOMVp+Nq9bZDmSdoIXD2xOpo5oZ0r mKHgdVh1xR2cr7esYQ/4+k7gKDJX9HukW8cxw= Received: by 10.204.152.16 with SMTP id e16mr1207223bkw.31.1332249379558; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:16:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.128.220 with SMTP id l28ls346173bks.8.gmail; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.131.75 with SMTP id w11mr1536598bks.0.1332249378703; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.131.75 with SMTP id w11mr1536597bks.0.1332249378675; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o5si1881733bkz.0.2012.03.20.06.16.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.44; Received: by lagj5 with SMTP id j5so15564lag.3 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.148.2 with SMTP id to2mr12139387lab.39.1332249377982; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:16:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.36.1 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:15:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <24143939.1398.1332138901295.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynnk21> <19229634.6385.1332243517469.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynne2> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 09:15:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku} in speech ? To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22c535ed4a9704bbac7a94 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f22c535ed4a9704bbac7a94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:10 AM, ianek wrote: > > > On 20 Mar, 13:23, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > Well, in that case, I recommend cu, not ku. cu is actually easily > elidable, > > unlike ku. I believe we determined not long ago that in the worst case, > it > > would take a maximum of three terminators in the absence of cu to > correctly > > terminate a grammatical structure, and rarely more than one. > > What a about {lo nu broda lo nu brode lo nu brodi lo nu brodo ku ku ku > ku brodu}? Jbofi'e says that it needs at least these four {ku} if we > want to avoid {cu}. > I like avoiding {cu}, but only when it doesn't require a string of > more than two terminators. > Maybe the original meant three *distinct* terminators. You've used only one, albeit four times. stevo > > mu 'o mi'e ianek > > > cu is kind of like an optional half-.i, in that whereas .i implicitly > adds > > whatever terminators are required to end the previous sentence and begin > a > > new one, cu does the same, but only up the point of the selbri (, and > > please keep in mind that that is where my comparison ends- I doubt there > > are any other similarities between cu and .i). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:38 AM, gleki > wrote: > > > Well. We are preparing a textbook that will teach how to speak lojban. > > > But this textbook must use as few words as possible. > > > I wanna get rid of all words that can be replaced by other words. > > > > > It's a textbook for newbies. So don't worry. It will be an > introduction to > > > Lojban. > > > > > On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:49:14 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote: > > > > >> Even if it is possible to eliminate {ku} in speech, why would you > want to? > > > > >> stevo > > > > >> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:35 AM, gleki >wrote: > > > > >>> Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku} in speech ? Can we > > >>> rearrange words in extreme cases and use other cmavo like {kei} and > {cu} ? > > > > >>> -- > > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > > >>> To view this discussion on the web visithttps:// > groups.google.com/d/** > > >>> msg/lojban-beginners/-/**P3eUQjPdbJsJ< > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/P3eUQjPdbJsJ> > > >>> . > > >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups. > **com > > >>> . > > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com ibe@googlegroups.com> > > >>> . > > >>> For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/** > > >>> group/lojban-beginners?hl=en< > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en> > > >>> . > > > > >> -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > >https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/GaqDxupbMXQJ. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > > (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:10 AM, ianek <= span dir=3D"ltr"><janek37@gmail.com= > wrote:


On 20 Mar, 13:23, Jonathan Jones <e= yeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, in that case, I recommend cu, not ku. cu is actually easily elid= able,
> unlike ku. I believe we determined not long ago that in the worst case= , it
> would take a maximum of three terminators in the absence of cu to corr= ectly
> terminate a grammatical structure, and rarely more than one.

What a about {lo nu broda lo nu brode lo nu brodi lo nu brodo ku ku k= u
ku brodu}? Jbofi'e says that it needs at least these four {ku} if we want to avoid {cu}.
I like avoiding {cu}, but only when it doesn't require a string of
more than two terminators.

Maybe the or= iginal meant three distinct terminators. You've used only one, a= lbeit four times.=A0

stevo=A0

mu 'o mi'e ianek

> cu is kind of like an optional half-.i, in that whereas .i implicitly = adds
> whatever terminators are required to end the previous sentence and beg= in a
> new one, cu does the same, but only up the point of the selbri (, and<= br> > please keep in mind that that is where my comparison ends- I doubt the= re
> are any other similarities between cu and .i).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:38 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.n...@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
> > Well. We are preparing a textbook that will teach how to speak lo= jban.
> > But this textbook must use as few words as possible.
> > I wanna get rid of all words that can be replaced by other words.=
>
> > It's a textbook for newbies. So don't worry. It will be a= n introduction to
> > Lojban.
>
> > On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:49:14 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote:
>
> >> Even if it is possible to eliminate {ku} in speech, why would= you want to?
>
> >> stevo
>
> >> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:35 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.n...@gmail.com>wrote:<= br>
>
> >>> Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku} in speech ? = Can we
> >>> rearrange words in extreme cases and use other cmavo like= {kei} and {cu} ?
>
> >>> --
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> >>> group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den<http://group= s.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den>
> >>> .
>
> >> =A0--
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> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo= 'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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