On Tue,= Mar 20, 2012 at 3:19 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:

On 20 Mar, 22:05, Jonathan Jones <e= yeo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 8:19 AM, ianek <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > An event of an event would be {lo nu nu ...} and I don't know= what it
> > would mean, too.
>
> More like {lo nu lo nu ...}.

Why? {lo nu lo nu ...} would be grammatical only if there's a sel= bri
after the inner {lo nu}. And then it's not an event of an event, but an event of that selbri, with an event as x1.
Meanwhile, {lo nu nu broda} is "An event of nu broda", ie. "= An event
of [something being] an event of broda".

mu'o mi'e ianek

> > Example: {lo nu bapli lo nu bebna lo nu bredi lo nu sipna}: An/Th= e
> > event of forcing someone to be stupid about being ready to sleep.=
> > Totally comprehensible.
>
> > mu'o mi'e ianek
>
> > On 20 Mar, 15:00, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I didn't actually do the experimenting to determine such= a thing myself,
> > so
> > > I really can't say exactly.
>
> > > However, your example is extremely contrived. I highly doubt= that anyone
> > > would talk about an event of an event of an event of an even= t in any
> > > real-life situation, nor can I conceive of what such a thing= is. I'm not
> > > even sure of what an event of an event is, let alone the fou= rth
> > iteration.
> > > (lodu'u broda losi'o brode lonu brodi , on the other= hand, at least makes
> > > some sort of coherent sense to me, however.)
>
> > > Also, vlasisku.lojban.org appears to be down. Someone not about to go to > > > sleep want to go on IRC and let Robin et al know? (It happen= s that while
> > I
> > > know there are other NU, si'o du'u and nu are the on= ly ones I remember
> > off
> > > the top of my head.)
>
> > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 7:15 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytl...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:10 AM, ianek <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> On 20 Mar, 13:23, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > Well, in that case, I recommend cu, not ku. cu= is actually easily
> > > >> elidable,
> > > >> > unlike ku. I believe we determined not long ag= o that in the worst
> > case,
> > > >> it
> > > >> > would take a maximum of three terminators in t= he absence of cu to
> > > >> correctly
> > > >> > terminate a grammatical structure, and rarely = more than one.
>
> > > >> What a about {lo nu broda lo nu brode lo nu brodi l= o nu brodo ku ku ku
> > > >> ku brodu}? Jbofi'e says that it needs at least = these four {ku} if we
> > > >> want to avoid {cu}.
> > > >> I like avoiding {cu}, but only when it doesn't = require a string of
> > > >> more than two terminators.
>
> > > > Maybe the original meant three *distinct* terminators. = You've used only
> > > > one, albeit four times.
>
> > > > stevo
>
> > > >> mu 'o mi'e ianek
>
> > > >> > cu is kind of like an optional half-.i, in tha= t whereas .i
> > implicitly
> > > >> adds
> > > >> > whatever terminators are required to end the p= revious sentence and
> > > >> begin a
> > > >> > new one, cu does the same, but only up the poi= nt of the selbri (,
> > and
> > > >> > please keep in mind that that is where my comp= arison ends- I doubt
> > there
> > > >> > are any other similarities between cu and .i).=
>
> > > >> > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:38 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.n...@gmail.com&g= t;
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > > Well. We are preparing a textbook that wi= ll teach how to speak
> > lojban.
> > > >> > > But this textbook must use as few words a= s possible.
> > > >> > > I wanna get rid of all words that can be = replaced by other words.
>
> > > >> > > It's a textbook for newbies. So don&#= 39;t worry. It will be an
> > > >> introduction to
> > > >> > > Lojban.
>
> > > >> > > On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:49:14 AM UTC= +4, stevo wrote:
>
> > > >> > >> Even if it is possible to eliminate {= ku} in speech, why would you
> > > >> want to?
>
> > > >> > >> stevo
>
> > > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:35 AM, glek= i <
> > gleki.is.my.n...@gm= ail.com
> > > >> >wrote:
>
> > > >> > >>> Is it possible to completely get = rid of {ku} in speech ? Can we
> > > >> > >>> rearrange words in extreme cases = and use other cmavo like {kei}
> > and
> > > >> {cu} ?
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