Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:45035) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SAZnK-0000Oc-HC; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:38:39 -0700 Received: by yhkk25 with SMTP id k25sf2228457yhk.16 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:38:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5YJUV06yEApbCsUeVOCec/3fbW6mBee3OdmmP+pRugs=; b=ku3j9S0k44oIzfKTEoynCBS0iOPnXI6u4DMKPp1GgvcJsVzyctXc5j62Hzf1O0ZVcc ytYohXSUGyYkoRmpWNLCQDFfQQQb/CvHUQibAHIyGq3H0R/vHjpQfQNJuZ6EytFr0Pw9 1a1xoEP/vMIBOL0vEDChI2uenvWYh1yi8HSuI= Received: by 10.52.24.244 with SMTP id x20mr876417vdf.11.1332391090699; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:38:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.175.104 with SMTP id bz8ls1019178vdc.1.gmail; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.19.43 with SMTP id b11mr461947vde.4.1332391089758; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:38:09 -0700 (PDT) From: gleki To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <6113865.563.1332391089178.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbut24> In-Reply-To: References: <24143939.1398.1332138901295.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynnk21> <2371108.1969.1332312889960.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjl17> <4F69D44F.9080305@plasmatix.com> <18514548.80.1332344121171.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynbq18> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku} in speech ? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_562_2676165.1332391089176" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_562_2676165.1332391089176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It's still in Russian. And it's not complete. After finishing the draft I'll translate it to English. On Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:02:42 AM UTC+4, .arpis. wrote: > > I'm curious. Could you link to the textbook? > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM, gleki > wrote: > > OK. Actually our textbook already uses lo ... ku instead of lo. > > I considered changing it to lo & cu but let it remain as it is. > > > > > > On Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:30:59 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > >> > >> Agreed. While cu is a very versatile cmavo, and is quite frequently used > >> specifically because of this, I doubt there is a single jbopre among us > who > >> does not think that teaching terminators is /extremely/ important, > >> /especially/ in the very beginning. > >> > >> When cu is eventually introduced, it's function is made much more clear > >> and understandable as a result, as well. > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 7:14 AM, selpa'i wrote: > >>> > >>> You may think it's easier without ku, but it will cause problems for > the > >>> students later on. I strongly recommend teaching full terminators from > the > >>> beginning on. Teach how to elide them a bit later. Trust the people > here who > >>> tell you to teach terminators. We have a lot of experience teaching > >>> beginners and this method has proven effective again and again. > >>> > >>> Am 21.03.2012 07:54, schrieb gleki: > >>> > >>> My point was to teach in the form of > >>> {lo broda cu brode lo brodi lo brodo be lo brodu} > >>> In this case student can learn only "lo". > >>> Otherwise they will have to learn > >>> {lo broda ku brode lo brodi ku lo brodo be lo brodu [ku ku]} > >>> which is a bit more bulky and harder to understand. > >>> > >>> {lo} without looks like "a" or "the" in English. > >>> {lo ... ku} looks like a programming language which is not easy for > >>> everyone. > >>> > >>> On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:35:01 AM UTC+4, gleki wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku} in speech ? Can we > >>>> rearrange words in extreme cases and use other cmavo like {kei} and > {cu} ? > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>> To view this discussion on the web visit > >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/jr0LeEnGOJUJ. > >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > . > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> .i da xamgu ganse fi no na'ebo lo risna > >>> .i lo vajrai cu nonselji'u lo kanla > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > . > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > >> > >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/fcMtD2ijxOMJ. > > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/P4LbXyessN0J. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:02:42 AM UT= C+4, .arpis. wrote:

I'm curious= . Could you link to the textbook?
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM, gleki= <gleki.= is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
> OK. Actually our textbook alrea= dy uses lo ... ku instead of lo.
> I considered changing it to lo &am= p; cu but let it remain as it is.
>
>
> On Wednesday, Mar= ch 21, 2012 5:30:59 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>>
>> Agreed.= While cu is a very versatile cmavo, and is quite frequently used
>&g= t; specifically because of this, I doubt there is a single jbopre among us = who
>> does not think that teaching terminators is /extremely/ imp= ortant,
>> /especially/ in the very beginning.
>>
>= > When cu is eventually introduced, it's function is made much more clea= r
>> and understandable as a result, as well.
>>
>&= gt; On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 7:14 AM, selpa'i <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:
>>&g= t;
>>> You may think it's easier without ku, but it will cause = problems for the
>>> students later on. I strongly recommend te= aching full terminators from the
>>> beginning on. Teach how to= elide them a bit later. Trust the people here who
>>> tell you= to teach terminators. We have a lot of experience teaching
>>>= beginners and this method has proven effective again and again.
>>= ;>
>>> Am 21.03.2012 07:54, schrieb gleki:
>>>>>> My point was to teach in the form of
>>> {lo bro= da cu brode lo brodi lo brodo be lo brodu}
>>> In this case stu= dent can learn only "lo".
>>> Otherwise they will have to learn=
>>> {lo broda ku brode lo brodi ku lo brodo be lo brodu [= ku ku]}
>>> which is a bit more bulky and harder to understand.=
>>>
>>> {lo} without looks like "a" or "the" in En= glish.
>>> {lo ... ku} looks like a programming language which = is not easy for
>>> everyone.
>>>
>>> O= n Monday, March 19, 2012 10:35:01 AM UTC+4, gleki wrote:
>>>>= ;
>>>> Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku} in speec= h ? Can we
>>>> rearrange words in extreme cases and use oth= er cmavo like {kei} and {cu} ?
>>>
>>> --
>&g= t;> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google G= roups
>>> "Lojban Beginners" group.
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>>> https://gr= oups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/jr0LeEnGOJUJ.
>= ;>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
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>>> For more options, visit this group at
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
&g= t;>> .i da xamgu ganse fi no na'ebo lo risna
>>> .i lo va= jrai cu nonselji'u lo kanla
>>>
>>> --
>>&= gt; You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps
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>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
>>> = For more options, visit this group at
>>> http://gro= ups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den.
>>
>= >
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.<= br>>>
>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk.= mi patfu do zo'o
>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father= . :D )
>>
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