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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:05:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku} in speech ? To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / I speak Russian. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:38 AM, gleki wrote: > It's still in Russian. And it's not complete. After finishing the draft I= 'll > translate it to English. > > > On Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:02:42 AM UTC+4, .arpis. wrote: >> >> I'm curious. Could you link to the textbook? >> >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM, gleki >> wrote: >> > OK. Actually our textbook already uses lo ... ku instead of lo. >> > I considered changing it to lo & cu but let it remain as it is. >> > >> > >> > On Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:30:59 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >> >> >> >> Agreed. While cu is a very versatile cmavo, and is quite frequently >> >> used >> >> specifically because of this, I doubt there is a single jbopre among = us >> >> who >> >> does not think that teaching terminators is /extremely/ important, >> >> /especially/ in the very beginning. >> >> >> >> When cu is eventually introduced, it's function is made much more cle= ar >> >> and understandable as a result, as well. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 7:14 AM, selpa'i wrote: >> >>> >> >>> You may think it's easier without ku, but it will cause problems for >> >>> the >> >>> students later on. I strongly recommend teaching full terminators fr= om >> >>> the >> >>> beginning on. Teach how to elide them a bit later. Trust the people >> >>> here who >> >>> tell you to teach terminators. We have a lot of experience teaching >> >>> beginners and this method has proven effective again and again. >> >>> >> >>> Am 21.03.2012 07:54, schrieb gleki: >> >>> >> >>> My point was to teach in the form of >> >>> {lo broda cu brode lo brodi lo brodo be lo brodu} >> >>> In this case student can learn only "lo". >> >>> Otherwise they will have to learn >> >>> {lo broda ku brode lo brodi ku lo brodo be lo brodu=A0[ku ku]} >> >>> which is a bit more bulky and harder to understand. >> >>> >> >>> {lo} without looks like "a" or "the" in English. >> >>> {lo ... ku} looks like a programming language which is not easy for >> >>> everyone. >> >>> >> >>> On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:35:01 AM UTC+4, gleki wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku} in speech ? Can we >> >>>> rearrange words in extreme cases and use other cmavo like {kei} and >> >>>> {cu} ? >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>> Groups >> >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >> >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/jr0LeEnGOJUJ. >> >>> To post to this group, send email to >> >>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> .i da xamgu ganse fi no na'ebo lo risna >> >>> .i lo vajrai cu nonselji'u lo kanla >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>> Groups >> >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> >>> To post to this group, send email to >> >>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "Lojban Beginners" group. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/fcMtD2ijxOMJ. >> > >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/P4LbXyessN0J. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. --=20 mu'o mi'e .arpis. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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