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By the way, if you have a bit of free time please help translating la.klaku's Google Wave Lessons and the CLL into Russian. here . On Thursday, March 22, 2012 6:05:44 PM UTC+4, .arpis. wrote: > > I speak Russian. > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:38 AM, gleki > wrote: > > It's still in Russian. And it's not complete. After finishing the draft > I'll > > translate it to English. > > > > > > On Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:02:42 AM UTC+4, .arpis. wrote: > >> > >> I'm curious. Could you link to the textbook? > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM, gleki > >> wrote: > >> > OK. Actually our textbook already uses lo ... ku instead of lo. > >> > I considered changing it to lo & cu but let it remain as it is. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:30:59 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Agreed. While cu is a very versatile cmavo, and is quite frequently > >> >> used > >> >> specifically because of this, I doubt there is a single jbopre among > us > >> >> who > >> >> does not think that teaching terminators is /extremely/ important, > >> >> /especially/ in the very beginning. > >> >> > >> >> When cu is eventually introduced, it's function is made much more > clear > >> >> and understandable as a result, as well. > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 7:14 AM, selpa'i wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> You may think it's easier without ku, but it will cause problems for > >> >>> the > >> >>> students later on. I strongly recommend teaching full terminators > from > >> >>> the > >> >>> beginning on. Teach how to elide them a bit later. Trust the people > >> >>> here who > >> >>> tell you to teach terminators. We have a lot of experience teaching > >> >>> beginners and this method has proven effective again and again. > >> >>> > >> >>> Am 21.03.2012 07:54, schrieb gleki: > >> >>> > >> >>> My point was to teach in the form of > >> >>> {lo broda cu brode lo brodi lo brodo be lo brodu} > >> >>> In this case student can learn only "lo". > >> >>> Otherwise they will have to learn > >> >>> {lo broda ku brode lo brodi ku lo brodo be lo brodu [ku ku]} > >> >>> which is a bit more bulky and harder to understand. > >> >>> > >> >>> {lo} without looks like "a" or "the" in English. > >> >>> {lo ... ku} looks like a programming language which is not easy for > >> >>> everyone. > >> >>> > >> >>> On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:35:01 AM UTC+4, gleki wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku} in speech ? Can we > >> >>>> rearrange words in extreme cases and use other cmavo like {kei} and > >> >>>> {cu} ? > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> >>> Groups > >> >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit > >> >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/jr0LeEnGOJUJ. > >> >>> To post to this group, send email to > >> >>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> >>> For more options, visit this group at > >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> .i da xamgu ganse fi no na'ebo lo risna > >> >>> .i lo vajrai cu nonselji'u lo kanla > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> >>> Groups > >> >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> >>> To post to this group, send email to > >> >>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> >>> For more options, visit this group at > >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > >> >> > >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > >> >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > >> >> > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > Groups > >> > "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> > To view this discussion on the web visit > >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/fcMtD2ijxOMJ. > >> > > >> > To post to this group, send email to > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> > For more options, visit this group at > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >> > >> -- > >> mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/P4LbXyessN0J. > > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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The Kitten's Way is still in progress. 
By the way, if you have a bit of free time please help translating la.kl= aku's Google Wave Lessons and the CLL into Russian.
here.

On Thursday, March 2= 2, 2012 6:05:44 PM UTC+4, .arpis. wrote:
I speak Russian.

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:38 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.n= ame@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's still in Russian. And it's not co= mplete. After finishing the draft I'll
> translate it to English.
= >
>
> On Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:02:42 AM UTC+4, .arpis. = wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious. Could you link to the textbook?=
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@= gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > OK. Actually our text= book already uses lo ... ku instead of lo.
>> > I considered ch= anging it to lo & cu but let it remain as it is.
>> >
&g= t;> >
>> > On Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:30:59 PM UTC+4,= aionys wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Agreed. While cu i= s a very versatile cmavo, and is quite frequently
>> >> used=
>> >> specifically because of this, I doubt there is a sing= le jbopre among us
>> >> who
>> >> does not t= hink that teaching terminators is /extremely/ important,
>> >&g= t; /especially/ in the very beginning.
>> >>
>> >= ;> When cu is eventually introduced, it's function is made much more cle= ar
>> >> and understandable as a result, as well.
>>= ; >>
>> >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 7:14 AM, selpa'i &l= t;m3o@plasmatix.com<= /a>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> You may th= ink it's easier without ku, but it will cause problems for
>> >= >> the
>> >>> students later on. I strongly recomme= nd teaching full terminators from
>> >>> the
>> = >>> beginning on. Teach how to elide them a bit later. Trust the p= eople
>> >>> here who
>> >>> tell you t= o teach terminators. We have a lot of experience teaching
>> >&= gt;> beginners and this method has proven effective again and again.
= >> >>>
>> >>> Am 21.03.2012 07:54, schrieb= gleki:
>> >>>
>> >>> My point was to t= each in the form of
>> >>> {lo broda cu brode lo brodi lo= brodo be lo brodu}
>> >>> In this case student can learn= only "lo".
>> >>> Otherwise they will have to learn
&= gt;> >>> {lo broda ku brode lo brodi ku lo brodo be lo brodu&nb= sp;[ku ku]}
>> >>> which is a bit more bulky and harder t= o understand.
>> >>>
>> >>> {lo} withou= t looks like "a" or "the" in English.
>> >>> {lo ... ku} = looks like a programming language which is not easy for
>> >>= ;> everyone.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Monday= , March 19, 2012 10:35:01 AM UTC+4, gleki wrote:
>> >>>&g= t;
>> >>>> Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku= } in speech ? Can we
>> >>>> rearrange words in extrem= e cases and use other cmavo like {kei} and
>> >>>> {cu= } ?
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >&g= t;> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google>> >>> Groups
>> >>> "Lojban Beginners" = group.
>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit>> >>>
https://groups.google.com/d/= msg/lojban-beginners/-/jr0LeEnGOJUJ.
>> >>> To p= ost to this group, send email to
>> >>> lojban-beginners@goog= legroups.com.
>> >>> To unsubscribe from this gr= oup, send email to
>> >>> lojban-beginners+unsu= bscribe@googlegroups.com.
>> >>> For more option= s, visit this group at
>> >>> http://groups.go= ogle.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den.
>> >>><= br>>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> = --
>> >>> .i da xamgu ganse fi no na'ebo lo risna
>= > >>> .i lo vajrai cu nonselji'u lo kanla
>> >>&= gt;
>> >>> --
>> >>> You received this = message because you are subscribed to the Google
>> >>> G= roups
>> >>> "Lojban Beginners" group.
>> >&g= t;> To post to this group, send email to
>> >>> lojban-beg= inners@googlegroups.com.
>> >>> To unsubscribe f= rom this group, send email to
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>> >>> For = more options, visit this group at
>> >>> http:= //groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den.
>> &g= t;>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
&g= t;> >> --
>> >> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>> >= >
>> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.lu= k. mi patfu do zo'o
>> >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am = your father. :D )
>> >>
>> > --
>> >= You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
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>> >= ; To view this discussion on the web visit
>> > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/fcMtD2ijxO= MJ.
>> >
>> > To post to this group, send email= to = lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
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>>
>> --
>&g= t; mu'o mi'e .arpis.
>
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