Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:56920) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SAk7l-0005Xt-3i; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:40:31 -0700 Received: by bkcjg9 with SMTP id jg9sf1626960bkc.16 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:40:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=92Zl3iAY4w9OoJPSflw2DrZE5sITnz1LnMyz8Hh556Y=; b=ZXRGWWu1pcRblT8dVcDWyNS7K6k37yZpzalIbw6kZoqlZQn6JkSMKKDe2ppWmb/Os6 HmEhwrOhKEGLxDxFKOPjtOUnx6P6cv8JbMyy/chsUyiwBr5LkC41Igds2S7rnpx3EELq 9q9gXI39AuEiIpwcFDAGVIGtdLZnhQ4dvcTck= Received: by 10.204.151.65 with SMTP id b1mr820739bkw.4.1332430794177; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:39:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.205.142.4 with SMTP id jg4ls2651427bkc.6.gmail; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.131.75 with SMTP id w11mr960860bks.0.1332430791843; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.131.75 with SMTP id w11mr960859bks.0.1332430791821; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o5si6422157bkz.0.2012.03.22.08.39.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.53; Received: by mail-bk0-f53.google.com with SMTP id j4so2175302bkw.12 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:39:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.154.194 with SMTP id p2mr167168bkw.80.1332430791593; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.73.1 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:39:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201203132209.51268.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:39:51 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Phrasing question: time intervals From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175df02e054f8c04bbd6b8de X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --0015175df02e054f8c04bbd6b8de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM, ianek wrote: > > > On 14 Mar, 17:09, ".arpis." wrote: > > 2012/3/14 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis : > > > > > On 13 March 2012 23:09, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > >> On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 18:52:33 .arpis. wrote: > > >>> "I will be free between 9:30 and 10:30 and between 1:00 and 5:00" > > >>> {mi zilfre ze'a lo temci be li so pi mu bei li dau pi mu be'o .e lo > > >>> temci be li pa bei li mu be'o} > > > > >>> Is the use of {temci} correct here? {ze'a}? > > > > > temci2 and temci3 are not numbers, but events. > > > You may use {lo se tcika be li...}. > > > > jbovlaste seems to indicate that they can be times or events, but > > point taken that a number is neither. > > > > > > > > >>> Is there a shorter way to say it? > > > > > My suggestion is > > > {mi zifre ti'u li so pi mu bi'o pano pi mu jo'u li pa bi'o mu}. > > > > Do you mean {mi zifre ti'u li so pi mu bi'o *li* pano pi mu jo'u li pa > > bi'o *li* mu}? > > > > > > > > > You may use {e} instead of {jo'u} if you prefer. > > > You could use a single mekso with the union-operator {jo'e}, but I > recommend > > > limiting the complexity of mekso. > > > > I'll stay away from mekso for now, thank you very much. > > > > > > > > >> I'd say "mi zifre ca li so pi'e cino bi'obo li pano pi'e cino .e li > pa pi'e > > >> bi'obo li mu pi'e". jbofi'e doesn't like that; it wants "lo'o" (the > terminator > > >> for "li") before "bi'o". One of the "bo" is necessary but the other > isn't. > > > > > {ca} tags an event. A number is not an event. {ca lo se tcika be > li...} should > > > be acceptable. Even so, I don't think {ca} implies that the freeness > extends > > > along the whole interval, just that it intersects it. > > > > True, but pragmatics would dictate that, even if I'm not available > > throughout the entire interval, any point you request within the > > interval is valid. > > Would {ze'e} work for this? Like {mi sipna ze'e lo prulamdei} =96 > "Yesterday I was sleeping all day"? It's just a guess, I'm rarely sure > what will come out of using a tense as a tag. I use it that way, but acknowledge this is non-standard usage. --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. 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On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at= 1:26 PM, ianek <= janek37@gmail.com> wrote:


On 14 Mar, 17:09, ".arpis." <rpglover64+jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2012/3/14 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <felipeg.as...@gmail.com>:
>
> > On 13 March 2012 23:09, Pierre Abbat <p...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 18:52:33 .arpis. wrote:
> >>> "I will be free between 9:30 and 10:30 and between 1= :00 and 5:00"
> >>> {mi zilfre ze'a lo temci be li so pi mu bei li dau pi= mu be'o .e lo
> >>> temci be li pa bei li mu be'o}
>
> >>> Is the use of {temci} correct here? {ze'a}?
>
> > temci2 and temci3 are not numbers, but events.
> > You may use {lo se tcika be li...}.
>
> jbovlaste seems to indicate that they can be times or events, but
> point taken that a number is neither.
>
>
>
> >>> Is there a shorter way to say it?
>
> > My suggestion is
> > =A0{mi zifre ti'u li so pi mu bi'o pano pi mu jo'u li= pa bi'o mu}.
>
> Do you mean {mi zifre ti'u li so pi mu bi'o *li* pano pi mu jo= 'u li pa
> bi'o *li* mu}?
>
>
>
> > You may use {e} instead of {jo'u} if you prefer.
> > You could use a single mekso with the union-operator {jo'e}, = but I recommend
> > limiting the complexity of mekso.
>
> I'll stay away from mekso for now, thank you very much.
>
>
>
> >> I'd say "mi zifre ca li so pi'e cino bi'obo = li pano pi'e cino .e li pa pi'e
> >> bi'obo li mu pi'e". jbofi'e doesn't like= that; it wants "lo'o" (the terminator
> >> for "li") before "bi'o". One of the &= quot;bo" is necessary but the other isn't.
>
> > {ca} tags an event. A number is not an event. {ca lo se tcika be = li...} should
> > be acceptable. Even so, I don't think {ca} implies that the f= reeness extends
> > along the whole interval, just that it intersects it.
>
> True, but pragmatics would dictate that, even if I'm not available=
> throughout the entire interval, any point you request within the
> interval is valid.

Would {ze'e} work for this? Like {mi sipna ze'e lo prul= amdei} =96
"Yesterday I was sleeping all day"? It's just a guess, I'= m rarely sure
what will come out of using a tense as a tag.

=A0 I use it that way, but acknowledge this is non-standard usage.
=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa
=A0

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