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  Incidentally, you do know you don't have to change the order of the
arguments of the main bridi from the default, right? You can use a vo'i
that hasn't been defined yet -- "mi cpedu lo nu vo'i rinsa ko'a kei do" (I
know that wasn't the point -- you were trying to mimic the structure of the
original.  Just pointing it out in case you didn't know)  But to the main
question, you could leave the x1 out of the abstraction entirely.  It
doesn't necessarily default to the x1 of the outer bridi.  It's still
"zo'e" and in most cases, it would be more reasonable to assume I'm asking
you do take an action then asking if I can greet him.
         --gejyspa


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 1:38 PM, selpa'i <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:

>  mi cpedu fi do fe lo nu vo'i rinsa [ko'a]/zo'e
> The vo'i is easable inferrable from context though. (In this case,
> repeating do would be shorter, too. But with longer sumti, it's a different
> story)
>
> Am 15.03.2012 17:10, schrieb gleki:
>
>  Here is an example if a sentence in Pandunia
> <http://www.kupsala.net/risto/pandunia/english/lesson02.html>language.
> mi peti ti tshau ta. = I ask you to say hello to him.
>  parsing: [I ask you greet he/she/it]
>
>  So the second "sumti" *ti *in *mi peti ti *becomes the first "sumti" of
> the next construction "ti tshau ta".
>
>  I wonder whether it's possible to do so in Lojban. May {be} or {.i ri}
> can do the trick
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 Incidentally, you do know you don&#39;t have to change=
 the order of the arguments of the main bridi from the default, right? You =
can use a vo&#39;i that hasn&#39;t been defined yet -- &quot;mi cpedu lo nu=
 vo&#39;i rinsa ko&#39;a kei do&quot; (I know that wasn&#39;t the point -- =
you were trying to mimic the structure of the original. =A0Just pointing it=
 out in case you didn&#39;t know) =A0But to the main question, you could le=
ave the x1 out of the abstraction entirely. =A0It doesn&#39;t necessarily d=
efault to the x1 of the outer bridi. =A0It&#39;s still &quot;zo&#39;e&quot;=
 and in most cases, it would be more reasonable to assume I&#39;m asking yo=
u do take an action then asking if I can greet him.<div>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa</div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
n Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 1:38 PM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:m3o@plasmatix.com">m3o@plasmatix.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

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   =20
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    mi cpedu fi do fe lo nu vo&#39;i rinsa [ko&#39;a]/zo&#39;e<br>
    The vo&#39;i is easable inferrable from context though. (In this case,
    repeating do would be shorter, too. But with longer sumti, it&#39;s a
    different story)<br>
    <br>
    Am 15.03.2012 17:10, schrieb gleki:
    <div><div class=3D"h5"><blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div>
        <div>Here is an example if a sentence in <a href=3D"http://www.kups=
ala.net/risto/pandunia/english/lesson02.html" target=3D"_blank">Pandunia
          </a>language.</div>
        <div>mi peti ti tshau ta. =3D I ask you to say hello to him.=A0<br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <div>parsing: [I ask you greet=A0he/she/it]</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>So the second &quot;sumti&quot; <i>ti </i>in <i>mi peti ti=A0</i=
>becomes
        the first &quot;sumti&quot; of the next construction &quot;ti tshau=
 ta&quot;.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>I wonder whether it&#39;s possible to do so in Lojban. May {be}
        or {.i ri} can do the trick</div>
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      </div>
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