Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:59041) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SBoHz-0007KG-HH; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 07:19:25 -0700 Received: by wibhq12 with SMTP id hq12sf2505174wib.16 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 07:19:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=p+MdXAHC6WqTOFMN7F35HrKlo+1dZ3kccszwRicUZMw=; b=62cpRzsUvYxTjW7RGqAtNI/yVTgTAVQD4lnMr2oPOVfUaf5rCWrUkFEJ60QNVnkltY Otf55TGpJa5Z7gx8cRmhHeLQOvYBzjDAh2s7R30P5qJrtHjI5hEgFq3rNR7+JT/yzd5b R2wS+NjlLaI7om8pzeWIyTiLNW+Bw02ljR7Ck= Received: by 10.204.130.85 with SMTP id r21mr1515165bks.0.1332685130160; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 07:18:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.136.212 with SMTP id s20ls1851818bkt.2.gmail; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 07:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.13.69 with SMTP id b5mr1858570bka.4.1332685128898; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 07:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.13.69 with SMTP id b5mr1858569bka.4.1332685128870; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 07:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f43.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cs9si17744969bkb.3.2012.03.25.07.18.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 25 Mar 2012 07:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.43; Received: by lagr15 with SMTP id r15so6437549lag.16 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 07:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.148.2 with SMTP id to2mr13651776lab.39.1332685128450; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 07:18:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.36.1 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 07:18:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <24714118.122.1332683393922.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynuu20> References: <7667321.521.1332662001096.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbvs10> <24714118.122.1332683393922.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynuu20> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 10:18:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Younger sister and older brother. Any lujvo suggestions ? To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22c535adc14004bc11ef79 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f22c535adc14004bc11ef79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An older/younger sibling is older/younger relative to the person whose sibling they are. E.g., My younger brother is younger than *I* am. I've had a problem all my life with describing my brother who is a year younger than I am. I've called him my older brother, because he's the older of my two brothers, but he's still younger than I am. OTOH, calling him my older brother implies that he is older than I am. (Now I just don't talk about him.) So the seltau {citmau} may not be the best word to use for the meaning you want. stevo On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 9:49 AM, gleki wrote: > So {citmau mensi} ? > Several languages in Tatoeba look like they have separate words for older > and younger sister. > > > On Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:17:29 PM UTC+4, stevo wrote: >> >> Why do you need lujvo for such words? I suggest trying it with tanru >> first, then if the need (or desire) is great enough, create a lujvo. >> >> stevo >> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 3:53 AM, gleki wrote= : >> >>> In some languages there are specific words for younger sister, older >>> sister. >>> This is the problem I faced in Tatoeba when translating some sentences. >>> >>> I believe we need lujvo for such words. >>> {citmau} or {citno} {mensi} are ambiguous. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/=E2=80=8Bmsg/lojban-beginners/-/=E2=80=8BIm= GVPwDC9IEJ >>> . >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.=E2= =80=8Bcom >>> . >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@=E2=80=8Bgooglegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/=E2=80=8Bgroup/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den >>> . >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/TT9R9d0gLKAJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --e89a8f22c535adc14004bc11ef79 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An older/younger sibling is older/younger relative to the person whose sibl= ing they are. E.g., My younger brother is younger than *I* am.=C2=A0
I&= #39;ve had a problem all my life with describing my brother who is a year y= ounger than I am. I've called him my older brother, because he's th= e older of my two brothers, but he's still younger than I am. OTOH, cal= ling him my older brother implies that he is older than I am. (Now I just d= on't talk about him.)=C2=A0
So the seltau {citmau} may not be the best word to use for the meaning= you want.=C2=A0
stevo

O= n Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 9:49 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wr= ote:
So {citmau mensi} ?
Several languages in= Tatoeba look like they have separate words for older and younger sister.


On Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:17:29 PM UTC+4, stevo= wrote:
Why do you need lujvo for su= ch words? I suggest trying it with tanru first, then if the need (or desire= ) is great enough, create a lujvo.=C2=A0

stevo

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012= at 3:53 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wro= te:
In some languages there are specific words f= or younger sister, older sister.
This is the problem I faced in Tatoeba= when translating some sentences.

I believe we need lujvo for such words.
{citm= au} or {citno} {mensi} are ambiguous.

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