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What the hell is a "feminine" rhyme?

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't say that {ri} rhymes with {xekri}, bacause {xekri} implies a
> feminine rhyme and {facki ri}, {klami'e ri} both force a masculine rhyme.
> And also, I doubt that {ri} may refer to more objects than the last sumti=
.
> So {ro ri} in the first line would be "all of the one ring".
> Yes, translating pronouns to Lojban is hard.
>
> mu'o mi'e ianek
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:08:25 PM UTC+2, fraik. wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone! I'm rather the nintadni, and I was attempting to translate =
a
>> few random snippets of text into lojban for practice. I was translating =
the
>> One Ring inscription, and this is what I came up with.
>>
>> (the One Ring inscription in Black Speech)
>>
>> Ash nazg durbatul=FBk,                  [ash]: one [nazg]: finger ring
>> [durb-] constrain; force; dominate [-at] participle [ul] them [ul=FBk]
>> completive form of 'them'
>> ash nazg gimbatul,                     [gimb-]: seek out; discover
>> ash nazg thrakatul=FBk                  [thrak-]: bring by force; drag; =
to
>> compel (something or someone) to go
>> agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.           [agh]: and [burzum]: darkness
>> [ishi]: in; inside [krimp-]: bind;  tie
>>
>> Translated:
>> pa lo degja'i ku minde ro ri
>> .i pa lo degja'i ku facki ri
>> .i pa lo degja'i ku klami'e ri
>> .i ri jongau ra ne'i lo xekri
>>
>> As I hope you're able to tell, I tried to keep the metre of the original=
.
>> The main questions I had when translating:
>> - {manku} doesn't rhyme with "ri", so I used {xekri}. Does {lo xekri}
>> mean "the blackness"? Is there a word with similar meaning to {manku} th=
at
>> I could use and still have the line rhyme?
>> - I couldn't find a gismu for "retrive", in line 3. Would {bevri} have
>> worked there? Or is it fine the way I did it?
>>
>> Any relevant advice or corrections would be much appreciated.
>>
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What the hell is a &quot;feminine&quot; rhyme?<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM, ianek <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:janek37@gmail.com">janek37@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I wouldn&#39;t say that {ri} rhymes with {xekri}, bacause {xekri} implies a=
 feminine rhyme and {facki ri}, {klami&#39;e ri} both force a masculine rhy=
me.<div>And also, I doubt that {ri} may refer to more objects than the last=
 sumti. So {ro ri} in the first line would be &quot;all of the one ring&quo=
t;.</div>
<div>Yes, translating pronouns to Lojban is hard.</div><div><br></div><div>=
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e ianek<div class=3D"im"><br><br>On Wednesday, March 28, 20=
12 4:08:25 PM UTC+2, fraik. wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>
Hi everyone! I&#39;m rather the nintadni, and I was attempting to translate=
 a few random snippets of text into lojban for practice. I was translating =
the One Ring inscription, and this is what I came up with.<br><br>(the One =
Ring inscription in Black Speech)<br>


<br>Ash nazg durbatul=FBk,=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0 [ash]: one [nazg]: finger ring [durb-] constrain; force; dominate [-at]=
 participle [ul] them [ul=FBk] completive form of &#39;them&#39;<br>ash naz=
g gimbatul,=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [gi=
mb-]: seek out; discover<br>


ash nazg thrakatul=FBk=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [=
thrak-]: bring by force; drag; to compel (something or someone) to go<br>ag=
h burzum-ishi krimpatul.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 [agh]: and [burzum]: d=
arkness [ishi]: in; inside [krimp-]: bind;=A0 tie<br>


<br>Translated:<br>pa lo degja&#39;i ku minde ro ri<br>.i pa lo degja&#39;i=
 ku facki ri<br>.i pa lo degja&#39;i ku klami&#39;e ri<br>.i ri jongau ra n=
e&#39;i lo xekri<br><br>As I hope you&#39;re able to tell, I tried to keep =
the metre of the original. The main questions I had when translating:<br>


- {manku} doesn&#39;t rhyme with &quot;ri&quot;, so I used {xekri}. Does {l=
o xekri} mean &quot;the blackness&quot;? Is there a word with similar meani=
ng to {manku} that I could use and still have the line rhyme?<br>- I couldn=
&#39;t find a gismu for &quot;retrive&quot;, in line 3. Would {bevri} have =
worked there? Or is it fine the way I did it?<br>


<br>Any relevant advice or corrections would be much appreciated.<br>
</blockquote></div></div><div class=3D"im">

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