Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:41553) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SHeSF-0007px-6S; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:02:07 -0700 Received: by ghbf14 with SMTP id f14sf8521ghb.16 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:02:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2UkOgquTsGRIGkPk3UiMIKuaZCIUDEz2Ohz3SkYZDvI=; b=0e60FL9ZRuEP5+gPxg2K4E0ayGvt5RtYaX3yivN2JCrmLaxQqXrQeFnBUaPHwHRoHX P+CqM1eKY4OE5Z2uNk0ifv+sDlPMx1EmckStlYRBWFOyBhVMoDMgFctds/HF8MG5A+Eb baCTHpfH02/JaNQ5DmfVMsOH4VbgCQvQmLbrY= Received: by 10.50.94.129 with SMTP id dc1mr1847638igb.2.1334077296033; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:01:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.188.137 with SMTP id ga9ls21178igc.0.gmail; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.192.227 with SMTP id hj3mr2501616igc.2.1334077295603; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.192.227 with SMTP id hj3mr2501612igc.2.1334077295587; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id em8si9635873igc.2.2012.04.10.10.01.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.174; Received: by obbtb18 with SMTP id tb18so21569obb.33 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.74.42 with SMTP id q10mr17226077obv.52.1334077295232; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:01:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.13.170 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:01:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <15948025.380.1334074333546.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbcsi10> References: <15948025.380.1334074333546.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbcsi10> From: ".arpis." Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:01:11 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] completeness of actions is not defined in most gismu To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / It can mean either. It can also mean "I will grasp something" or "I will have grasped something" or "I had been grasping something", and that's assuming that it's obvious from context that "I" am the one doing the grasping. {mi ca'o jgari} means that the event you're talking about is continuous, e.g. "I am grasping", but without an additional _tense_ tag (e.g. {ca}, {pu}, or {ba}) you don't know without context whether the event is in the present, past, or future. {mi mo'u jgari} means that you're talking about the end of the event of you grasping something. Again, it is not specified whether this event is in the present, etc. On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 12:12 PM, gleki wrote: > As it's usually not defined in English words. > Let's take {jgari}. Is it "I grasped something" or "I was continuously > holding something"? > Although ca'o and mo'u=A0I don't understand their default meaning without > extra event contours. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/j7hvA-lAD44J. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. --=20 mu'o mi'e .arpis. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.