Received: from mail-wg0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:56200) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SHgLY-0000Sn-2n; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:03:21 -0700 Received: by wgbdt10 with SMTP id dt10sf56746wgb.16 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:03:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=V5RuzIF7nBxCjePMwu2BXe5pIhg2qOScDsaDpQuxdhM=; b=x9i0/sM7GditOS5XEc5sJwicyj858tbbmRhh98VUpb+Oo0w9oBQh6EI1goVnpsWbHC fX80cX03ADmMVkqcFS5KA2N6lMitCnzWh7neuFxy6DqqsjesMDHwlIT4B9HlLDf0s/YZ tkOFoTFatqNzelkcosGoGrGbGZ6PrK9y6hH5Q= Received: by 10.204.157.153 with SMTP id b25mr695404bkx.13.1334084568274; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:02:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.205.135.147 with SMTP id ig19ls245875bkc.5.gmail; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.123.6 with SMTP id gi6mr1246667bkc.5.1334084566776; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.123.6 with SMTP id gi6mr1246666bkc.5.1334084566747; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f47.google.com (mail-bk0-f47.google.com [209.85.214.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8si222376bka.1.2012.04.10.12.02.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.47; Received: by mail-bk0-f47.google.com with SMTP id jg15so150305bkc.34 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:02:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.154.28 with SMTP id m28mr5009880bkw.102.1334084566587; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.63.200 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:02:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4F7ACB54.5060007@plasmatix.com> <29999114.1425.1333456186758.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yncc6> <4F7AF8D7.7030004@plasmatix.com> <20202981.459.1333529272343.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbdn7> <6370895.28.1333663229681.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynww4> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:02:46 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban Lessons Livestream tonight! From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d03d2b11ba204bd57c41d X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --0015175d03d2b11ba204bd57c41d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In the third part, you kept arguing that the initial "i" or "u" in ii and uu is pronounced differently than they are in other diphthongs, but it explicitly is EXACTLY the same (see chapter 3) aionys is correct. There are NO exceptions. "ii" is NOT irregular. They have palatal onglides. They are formed exactly the same in front of the same vowel as they are in front of different vowels. --gejyspa On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > That is VERY weird, since it breaks the isomorphism he himself created. > (And I learned the language back in '75, before the introduction of "h" > into the language, and I never pronounced it as anything other than > LOHG-lahn), although I admit I have never heard JCB say it. > > Oh, another aside to Jameson -- you assert in your lesson hyperbolically > that no one uses mi'a, mi'o, ma'a and do'o. Not true. While I don't use > do'o very much, I most certainly the other three a LOT. > --gejyspa > > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 7:14 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > >> I heard JCB himself say "LOG-luhn" when I phoned him once. It really took >> me by surprise because I'd always said it and heard it in my head as >> "Log-lan", sounding almost like "Log" + "land". >> >> stevo >> >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Lindar wrote: >> >>> However, you did definitely mispronounce "Loglan", which has the same >>>> vowelization as lojban. >>>> >>> >>> Even so, the name is a portmanteau of "logical language". 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=A0 In the third part, you kept arguing that the initial &= quot;i" or "u" in ii and uu is pronounced differently than t= hey are in other diphthongs, but it explicitly is EXACTLY the same (see cha= pter 3) =A0aionys is correct. =A0There are NO exceptions. "ii" is= NOT irregular. =A0They have palatal onglides. =A0They are formed exactly t= he same in front of the same vowel as they are in front of different vowels= .

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa



=
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Michael Turnian= sky <mturnian= sky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0 That is VERY weird, sin= ce it breaks the isomorphism he himself created. =A0(And I learned the lang= uage back in '75, before the introduction of "h" into the lan= guage, and I never pronounced it as anything other than LOHG-lahn),=A0altho= ugh=A0I admit I have never heard JCB say it.

=A0 Oh, another aside to Jameson -- you assert in your lesso= n hyperbolically that no one uses mi'a, mi'o, ma'a and do'o= . =A0Not true. =A0While I =A0don't use do'o very much, I most certa= inly the other three a LOT.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa


On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 7:14 PM,= MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
I heard JCB himself say "LOG-luhn"= when I phoned him once. It really took me by surprise because I'd alwa= ys said it and heard it in my head as "Log-lan", sounding almost = like "Log" + "land".=A0

stevo

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 = at 6:00 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
However, you = did definitely mispronounce "Loglan", which has the same voweliza= tion as lojban.=A0

Even so, the name is a portmanteau o= f "logical language". I see no issue with saying "loglan&quo= t; like wood local-network.=A0

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