Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:38548) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SHyI2-00084X-0T; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:12:55 -0700 Received: by eaan10 with SMTP id n10sf553177eaa.16 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:12:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=VZMdmJ7B1HsqdLZ/YFFm9qoSh89Z6hHYMBrHsjd68qo=; b=D90KTg8/zVLULc2uqSQCG3gNG7rnh2P52J7JU5tbxQOI9uij+TDTiPV6v8m+Zmi5LN oweT8wk2VE7/LtkGOeDwt1S5ZMWnfwuru1PMGqY92toW2ftAgL4M98cHK8egPQJpRUnO uUHfB35UON/LCLZStPr/4q8btjO3eyUE7nrXE= Received: by 10.204.157.153 with SMTP id b25mr849501bkx.13.1334153542319; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:12:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.205.135.147 with SMTP id ig19ls889409bkc.5.gmail; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.150.90 with SMTP id x26mr1584367bkv.6.1334153540462; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.150.90 with SMTP id x26mr1584366bkv.6.1334153540431; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f44.google.com (mail-bk0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z15si3327016bkz.0.2012.04.11.07.12.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.44; Received: by bkuw5 with SMTP id w5so692533bku.3 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:12:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.128.65 with SMTP id j1mr6135519bks.74.1334153540212; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.63.200 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:12:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4F7ACB54.5060007@plasmatix.com> <29999114.1425.1333456186758.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yncc6> <4F7AF8D7.7030004@plasmatix.com> <20202981.459.1333529272343.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbdn7> <6370895.28.1333663229681.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynww4> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:12:20 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban Lessons Livestream tonight! From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174be302d7173304bd67d304 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --0015174be302d7173304bd67d304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I hope you go back and correct what you left them with that "crane" means "back". It means "front", in fact. My favorite false friend is bistro (ice controller). --gejyspa On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > In the third part, you kept arguing that the initial "i" or "u" in ii > and uu is pronounced differently than they are in other diphthongs, but it > explicitly is EXACTLY the same (see chapter 3) aionys is correct. There > are NO exceptions. "ii" is NOT irregular. They have palatal onglides. > They are formed exactly the same in front of the same vowel as they are in > front of different vowels. > > --gejyspa > > > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > >> That is VERY weird, since it breaks the isomorphism he himself created. >> (And I learned the language back in '75, before the introduction of "h" >> into the language, and I never pronounced it as anything other than >> LOHG-lahn), although I admit I have never heard JCB say it. >> >> Oh, another aside to Jameson -- you assert in your lesson >> hyperbolically that no one uses mi'a, mi'o, ma'a and do'o. Not true. >> While I don't use do'o very much, I most certainly the other three a LOT. >> --gejyspa >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 7:14 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >> >>> I heard JCB himself say "LOG-luhn" when I phoned him once. It really >>> took me by surprise because I'd always said it and heard it in my head as >>> "Log-lan", sounding almost like "Log" + "land". >>> >>> stevo >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Lindar wrote: >>> >>>> However, you did definitely mispronounce "Loglan", which has the same >>>>> vowelization as lojban. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Even so, the name is a portmanteau of "logical language". I see no >>>> issue with saying "loglan" like wood local-network. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/34tG-oIXy00J. >>>> >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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=A0 I hope you go back and correct what you left them with= that "crane" means "back". It means "front",= in fact. =A0My favorite false friend is bistro (ice controller).
=A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa


On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Mi= chael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0 In the third part, you kept arguing that the initial &= quot;i" or "u" in ii and uu is pronounced differently than t= hey are in other diphthongs, but it explicitly is EXACTLY the same (see cha= pter 3) =A0aionys is correct. =A0There are NO exceptions. "ii" is= NOT irregular. =A0They have palatal onglides. =A0They are formed exactly t= he same in front of the same vowel as they are in front of different vowels= .

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa



On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10= :55 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote= :
=A0 That is VERY weird, sin= ce it breaks the isomorphism he himself created. =A0(And I learned the lang= uage back in '75, before the introduction of "h" into the lan= guage, and I never pronounced it as anything other than LOHG-lahn),=A0altho= ugh=A0I admit I have never heard JCB say it.

=A0 Oh, another aside to Jameson -- you assert in your lesso= n hyperbolically that no one uses mi'a, mi'o, ma'a and do'o= . =A0Not true. =A0While I =A0don't use do'o very much, I most certa= inly the other three a LOT.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

=
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 7:14 PM, MorphemeAddi= ct <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
I heard JCB himself say "LOG-luhn"= when I phoned him once. It really took me by surprise because I'd alwa= ys said it and heard it in my head as "Log-lan", sounding almost = like "Log" + "land".=A0

stevo

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 = at 6:00 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
However, you = did definitely mispronounce "Loglan", which has the same voweliza= tion as lojban.=A0

Even so, the name is a portmanteau o= f "logical language". I see no issue with saying "loglan&quo= t; like wood local-network.=A0

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