Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:42338) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SNkE0-0000eS-Uz; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:24:43 -0700 Received: by bkuw11 with SMTP id w11sf416364bku.16 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:24:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Aet+kN4D6OQdbktPGp8LCtTSM/vCbcorCuwDNdmS8JY=; b=gbl3wUywM+DMN06q2umJYGYWXT+PXmiK85k6huASu1UFbFF/qaibJkocbfUxRIC7Ph 3hitKiDi74N1nRGaBCnDVNkUBqKF3/Mt0QMDOFaiqfCIse65KEXDExucC+eXzQ9+yT47 YzuN4Zd1cuEUb1eP0Fs6BSYabHCA+zTWJzpT8= Received: by 10.204.130.85 with SMTP id r21mr173238bks.0.1335529468952; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:24:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.10.85 with SMTP id o21ls725854bko.3.gmail; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.129.15 with SMTP id m15mr1256845bks.2.1335529467263; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.129.15 with SMTP id m15mr1256844bks.2.1335529467239; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p9si6791400bkw.1.2012.04.27.05.24.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.169; Received: by lbjn8 with SMTP id n8so45261lbj.28 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:24:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.102.136 with SMTP id fo8mr2505588lbb.106.1335529466411; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.22.68 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:24:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4875290.11.1335523235974.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbep19> References: <4875290.11.1335523235974.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbep19> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:24:26 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Linked sumti in the main bridi From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0401fa336ebbc504bea82f6d X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0401fa336ebbc504bea82f6d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 {ko'a broda be ko'e ko'i} and {ko'a broda ko'e ko'i} are exactly equivalent. "be" has no effect on the jufra in this case. The reason for this is because "be" says the next sumti is the x2 of the immediately preceding selbri and not to any outer selbri that may contain it. (For example, in {lo zarci be ko'a zasti} the selbri "zarci" is an inner selbri contained within the bridi of "zasti".) The sumti "ko'i" fills the next unfilled slot, x3, as per normal. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:40 AM, ianek wrote: > In a recent thread there seemed to be an assumption that {ko'a broda be > ko'e ko'i} means the same as {ko'a broda ko'e ko'i}, ie. linked sumti > eliminate the filled brivla places. Where is the source of this fact? 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{ko'a broda be ko'e ko'i} and {ko= 9;a broda ko'e ko'i} are exactly equivalent. "be" has no = effect on the jufra in this case. The reason for this is because "be&q= uot; says the next sumti is the x2 of the immediately preceding selbri and = not to any outer selbri that may contain it. (For example, in {lo zarci be = ko'a zasti} the selbri "zarci" is an inner selbri contained w= ithin the bridi of "zasti".) The sumti "ko'i" fills= the next unfilled slot, x3, as per normal.

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:40 AM, ianek <jan= ek37@gmail.com> wrote:
In a recent thread there seemed to be an assumption that {ko'a broda be= ko'e ko'i} means the same as {ko'a broda ko'e ko'i}, i= e. linked sumti eliminate the filled brivla places. Where is the source of = this fact? I looked into http://dag.github.com/cll/5/7/ and didn't find it.

mu'o mi'e ianek

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