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I need to correct myself a bit. There is a small grammatical difference, in
that {broda be ko'e} is considered a tanru unit (for cases like {broda be
ko'e brode}), but it has no effect on the meaning- ko'e still goes into the
x2 of broda, and ko'i still goes into the x3.

If you need verification, put {.i ko'a broda be ko'e ko'i .i ko'a broda
ko'e ko'i} into the parser:

camxes<http://camxes.lojban.org/camxes/?text=.i%20ko%27a%20broda%20be%20ko%27e%20ko%27i%20.i%20ko%27a%20broda%20ko%27e%20ko%27i>

jbofi'e<http://www.lojban.org/jboski/index.php?jbocku=.i%20ko%27a%20broda%20be%20ko%27e%20ko%27i%20.i%20ko%27a%20broda%20ko%27e%20ko%27i>

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> {ko'a broda be ko'e ko'i} and {ko'a broda ko'e ko'i} are exactly
> equivalent. "be" has no effect on the jufra in this case. The reason for
> this is because "be" says the next sumti is the x2 of the immediately
> preceding selbri and not to any outer selbri that may contain it. (For
> example, in {lo zarci be ko'a zasti} the selbri "zarci" is an inner selbri
> contained within the bridi of "zasti".) The sumti "ko'i" fills the next
> unfilled slot, x3, as per normal.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:40 AM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In a recent thread there seemed to be an assumption that {ko'a broda be
>> ko'e ko'i} means the same as {ko'a broda ko'e ko'i}, ie. linked sumti
>> eliminate the filled brivla places. Where is the source of this fact? I
>> looked into http://dag.github.com/cll/5/7/ and didn't find it.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e ianek
>>
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>
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>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
>


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<div class=3D"gmail_extra">I need to correct myself a bit. There is a small=
 grammatical difference, in that {broda be ko&#39;e} is considered a tanru =
unit (for cases like {broda be ko&#39;e brode}), but it has no effect on th=
e meaning- ko&#39;e still goes into the x2 of broda, and ko&#39;i still goe=
s into the x3.<br>
<br>If you need verification, put {.i ko&#39;a broda be ko&#39;e ko&#39;i .=
i ko&#39;a broda ko&#39;e ko&#39;i} into the parser:<br><br><a href=3D"http=
://camxes.lojban.org/camxes/?text=3D.i%20ko%27a%20broda%20be%20ko%27e%20ko%=
27i%20.i%20ko%27a%20broda%20ko%27e%20ko%27i">camxes</a><br>
<br><a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/jboski/index.php?jbocku=3D.i%20ko%27a%=
20broda%20be%20ko%27e%20ko%27i%20.i%20ko%27a%20broda%20ko%27e%20ko%27i">jbo=
fi&#39;e</a><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:24=
 AM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">{ko&#39;a broda b=
e ko&#39;e ko&#39;i} and {ko&#39;a broda ko&#39;e ko&#39;i} are exactly equ=
ivalent. &quot;be&quot; has no effect on the jufra in this case. The reason=
 for this is because &quot;be&quot; says the next sumti is the x2 of the im=
mediately preceding selbri and not to any outer selbri that may contain it.=
 (For example, in {lo zarci be ko&#39;a zasti} the selbri &quot;zarci&quot;=
 is an inner selbri contained within the bridi of &quot;zasti&quot;.) The s=
umti &quot;ko&#39;i&quot; fills the next unfilled slot, x3, as per normal.<=
div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:40 AM, ianek <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:janek37@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jan=
ek37@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

In a recent thread there seemed to be an assumption that {ko&#39;a broda be=
 ko&#39;e ko&#39;i} means the same as {ko&#39;a broda ko&#39;e ko&#39;i}, i=
e. linked sumti eliminate the filled brivla places. Where is the source of =
this fact? I looked into <a href=3D"http://dag.github.com/cll/5/7/" target=
=3D"_blank">http://dag.github.com/cll/5/7/</a> and didn&#39;t find it.<div>

<br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e ianek</div><span><font color=3D"#888888">

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ys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu=
 do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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