Received: from mail-iy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:51910) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SNkzw-0001ZB-Ej; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:14:15 -0700 Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25sf932377iah.16 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:14:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=nhVLLpi0D27aCidbuowMFwzN43BZxbZQJlUQNlAC9iY=; b=SJt3oZz90Hillfhnixin7LHa3oGBKlIQwX5nBqRzLdKLTEde7pvWnVdfeblGgnNCIo DTHakbUxOlWVUC3nZFuiU3WRaDg0geBruMnAdqgSXq4BG6N/lt8hWWfp7Vfh7q1dS0jA wzK1V/mL+T1SxSdCZot7gNBXfUTv/SdTSiUAs= Received: by 10.236.182.129 with SMTP id o1mr338674yhm.18.1335531886106; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:04:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.119.195 with SMTP id n43ls2486597yhh.3.gmail; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.148.18 with SMTP id u18mr333543yhj.13.1335531884810; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:04:44 -0700 (PDT) From: ianek To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <4253463.23.1335531884069.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynen8> In-Reply-To: References: <4875290.11.1335523235974.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbep19> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Linked sumti in the main bridi MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_22_29613174.1335531884067" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_22_29613174.1335531884067 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 camxes doesn't assign sumti places. I don't know if jbofi'e by itself has an authority in the Lojban grammar (except xorlo, of course). According to jbofi'e, x2 of {broda be ko'e} is still broda2, verified be {ko'a broda be ko'e fe ko'i}. I think now I understand how it works... mu'o mi'e ianek On Friday, April 27, 2012 2:35:05 PM UTC+2, aionys wrote: > > I need to correct myself a bit. There is a small grammatical difference, > in that {broda be ko'e} is considered a tanru unit (for cases like {broda > be ko'e brode}), but it has no effect on the meaning- ko'e still goes into > the x2 of broda, and ko'i still goes into the x3. > > If you need verification, put {.i ko'a broda be ko'e ko'i .i ko'a broda > ko'e ko'i} into the parser: > > camxes > > jbofi'e > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> {ko'a broda be ko'e ko'i} and {ko'a broda ko'e ko'i} are exactly >> equivalent. "be" has no effect on the jufra in this case. The reason for >> this is because "be" says the next sumti is the x2 of the immediately >> preceding selbri and not to any outer selbri that may contain it. (For >> example, in {lo zarci be ko'a zasti} the selbri "zarci" is an inner selbri >> contained within the bridi of "zasti".) The sumti "ko'i" fills the next >> unfilled slot, x3, as per normal. >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:40 AM, ianek wrote: >> >>> In a recent thread there seemed to be an assumption that {ko'a broda be >>> ko'e ko'i} means the same as {ko'a broda ko'e ko'i}, ie. linked sumti >>> eliminate the filled brivla places. Where is the source of this fact? I >>> looked into http://dag.github.com/cll/5/7/ and didn't find it. >>> >>> mu'o mi'e ianek >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/ElCnRqErlfcJ. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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camxes doesn't assign sumti places. I don't know if jbofi'e by itself = has an authority in the  Lojban grammar (except xorlo, of course).
According to jbofi'e, x2 of {broda be ko'e} is still broda2, verifie= d be {ko'a broda be ko'e fe ko'i}. I think now I understand how it works...=

mu'o mi'e ianek

On Friday, April 27, 201= 2 2:35:05 PM UTC+2, aionys wrote:
I need to correct myself a bit. There is a small grammatical differ= ence, in that {broda be ko'e} is considered a tanru unit (for cases like {b= roda be ko'e brode}), but it has no effect on the meaning- ko'e still goes = into the x2 of broda, and ko'i still goes into the x3.

If you need verification, put {.i ko'a broda be ko'e ko'i .i ko'a broda= ko'e ko'i} into the parser:

camxes

jbofi'e

On Fri, Apr 27= , 2012 at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote:
{ko'a broda be ko'e ko'i} and {ko'a bro= da ko'e ko'i} are exactly equivalent. "be" has no effect on the jufra in th= is case. The reason for this is because "be" says the next sumti is the x2 = of the immediately preceding selbri and not to any outer selbri that may co= ntain it. (For example, in {lo zarci be ko'a zasti} the selbri "zarci" is a= n inner selbri contained within the bridi of "zasti".) The sumti "ko'i" fil= ls the next unfilled slot, x3, as per normal.


On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:40 AM, ianek = wrote:
In a recent thread there seemed to be an assumption that {ko'a broda be ko'= e ko'i} means the same as {ko'a broda ko'e ko'i}, ie. linked sumti eliminat= e the filled brivla places. Where is the source of this fact? I looked into= http://dag.gi= thub.com/cll/5/7/ and didn't find it.

mu'o mi'e ianek

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