Received: from mail-qa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:43880) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SNoaq-0003zF-0t; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:04:31 -0700 Received: by qadz32 with SMTP id z32sf834585qad.16 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:04:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=H7q+fa6AuaNDVPlmf7IdN1JoqSwK8oN+LhMvioNponY=; b=AoVDrHYT4X5qHfk9LvaOSxj1Unwxl9yXyj5fjESW0x013sr7OGhBmZnE9stA4Zs2qg U3olOzVED+h+/UIRKaQLHFmopXTiryKvxC+/YBHQqq5m7TLLPDwsJiNJtodMjf9eNacN l6hf2/HKjEiiNnx+H1m5z5KjqCjMpnhSTFWiw= Received: by 10.236.190.134 with SMTP id e6mr373331yhn.1.1335546261457; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:04:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.84.232 with SMTP id s68ls2721223yhe.5.gmail; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:04:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.180.36 with SMTP id i24mr372216yhm.3.1335546260929; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 35g2000yqq.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:04:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4574E1B6-EB25-4E85-BC37-C25EE7563DAD@polytechnique.org> References: <4574E1B6-EB25-4E85-BC37-C25EE7563DAD@polytechnique.org> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 2.3.4; fr-ca; SonyEricssonMK16i Build/4.0.2.A.0.58) AppleWebKit/533.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/533.1,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <0a44bfe7-2367-4682-885a-18e5ac9d71dc@35g2000yqq.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How to say "xr" or "rx" ? From: iesk To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: pa.fae@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of pa.fae@gmx.de designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=pa.fae@gmx.de; dkim=pass header.i=@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / J'ai le m=EAme probl=E8me, et j'essaye de prononcer mes r plus en avant (comme [r] ou qqc) dans ces combinaisons. Une autre solution serait, bien s=FBr, d'ins=E9rer une voyelle tampon entre r et x. (=C7a marche pas tr=E8s bien pour moi ; je suis germanophone, et je trouve extraordinairement difficile de diff=E9rencier [i], [@], [I], [Y].) I have the same problem. I try to pronounce my r's more frontally (as [r] or something) in those clusters. Another solution would be, of course, the insertion of a buffer vowel between the r and the x. (Which doesn't work very well for me; I'm German-speaking, and I find it extraordinarily hard to differentiate [i], [@], [I], [Y].) -iesk On Apr 27, 9:58=A0am, Alan Schmitt wrote: > Hello, > > I'm starting to learn Lojban, and I have some difficulty understanding th= e difference in the pronunciation of 'x' and 'r'. As I'm French, I pronounc= e the 'r' ashttps://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/API_%CA%81and I find it quite dif= ficult to combine it with the 'x'https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/API_x. > > Do you have any suggestion as how to pronounce "xr" and "rx"? > > Thanks a lot, > > Alan --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.