Received: from mail-wg0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:36476) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SOs0g-0001ZD-Tx; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:55:38 -0700 Received: by wgbdt10 with SMTP id dt10sf1668828wgb.16 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:55:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=puGQNbetl8N3HinSyNi8We4mYYX6BkLW4DBvoiWywcE=; b=fVEU5mV9AARESiBBKsTvLBOutgvaV9r5JMxMNI88aILiOe9AP+fZE8GVM7kL/yy9XR 8w1w/6j0I7xZycYA7PX3yHuvicWQZr+uR4oodwqsp/lkXiy981+UTqMoYEmBjR5+FI26 xweOl1iwW4eqtwQr6amXTICgZ6oH/jhrb+Z/k= Received: by 10.204.157.142 with SMTP id b14mr258379bkx.19.1335797722774; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:55:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.154.67 with SMTP id n3ls729463bkw.3.gmail; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.157.134 with SMTP id b6mr1429679bkx.5.1335797720836; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.157.134 with SMTP id b6mr1429678bkx.5.1335797720823; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f43.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cs9si19449558bkb.3.2012.04.30.07.55.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.43; Received: by lagr15 with SMTP id r15so2129643lag.30 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:55:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.110.4 with SMTP id hw4mr14538417lab.44.1335797720208; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.84.70 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:55:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201204300742.05681.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201204300742.05681.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:55:20 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] lujvo as prefix for fu'vla? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday, April 30, 2012 03:16:25 jongausib wrote: >> >> If I would like to specify that the loanword "semla" has something to >> do with a cake/pastry, not a brown bread, could you construct the >> fu'ivla "titnanbrsemla"? > > No. A type-3 fu'ivla has only one rafsi classifier. I don't know what the > counterexample is, since not I figured it out, but if you try to use two rafsi > prefixes in a type-3 fu'ivla, you can run into trouble. "titnanbrsemla" is a > type-4 fu'ivla. There are two kinds of trouble you can run into if you want to use more than one rafsi: (1) sometimes two rafsi need to be separated by -y-, and fu'ivla can't contain "y", and (2) sometimes you run into a tosmabru-type failure, for example if you try to use two CVC rafsi and the C-C between them happens to be a valid initial, then the CV at the beginning falls off. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.