Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:52332) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SOtuP-0002Th-PT; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:57:22 -0700 Received: by ghbf14 with SMTP id f14sf3916705ghb.16 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:57:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yV3J4wFKbbWpcC2D+QU65uqgSGHDA0usmkZFkkeQ/ww=; b=aq0jsYTXfN6k6x1VFswrOgoGgWngyMxOYJiCn/ftxtjix9PaBBBOaVzwANVsECad3c dRXed6jYJFPQFqPjKPzxnn1Ql7XEghZjOUSCMFGN8LjI9U8Z37GtY6QzrYKUHCHVD5uj ihtDjUhB6jraZzhL/S3/69KLs0ZV+MQYqF77M= Received: by 10.68.195.33 with SMTP id ib1mr431508pbc.18.1335805022837; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:57:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.224.163 with SMTP id rd3ls8783580pbc.2.gmail; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.218.103 with SMTP id pf7mr992838pbc.11.1335805022456; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:57:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Lindar To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <7303355.1059.1335805021787.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbbpz9> In-Reply-To: <201204290016.34511.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <1335648821.26906.11.camel@thomas> <201204290016.34511.phma@phma.optus.nu> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] ti MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lindarthebard@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lindarthebard@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Pointable. I can accept {ta zgike} for some distant thing or {ti nu gletu} = if you happen to be doing / viewing such a thing at the moment. Outside of = the present you can't point at it or immediately demonstrate it, so past or= future events are not demonstratable by such words. I can easily see an ex= change of two people in an apartment being interrupted by loud noises comin= g from a roommate's bedroom going like this: sei unf unf oooooohhh yeah baby ko'a: .yyyy ta mo ko'e: .i ta nu le zdakansa ku gletu kei .oi For past events {lo pu zgike} or {lo purci ku nu gletu} would be more appro= priate. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban-beginners/-/vEEuyjIH7W4J. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.