Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:52033) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SS2Cr-0007XG-DI; Wed, 09 May 2012 01:25:10 -0700 Received: by obbtb18 with SMTP id tb18sf10285obb.16 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 01:25:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=8l0wIcpu4gRCU+Pq5mKRZ1iHoStwokKvyJEDgMtMRYQ=; b=2Go4VKiqGKgjkJmohjctmUA01zd85A9Q8QtkajXEzJPHO8GzAOLzNixpMXikrfytd+ sYyo9Uf3H6AUKAWzqDdYhTX4X4ROVaE2MtldBxIyOfIIHVOFzW+lBdG09xk35VnXpGUw bWxpL6cf8KjIbVzC3GztqIODIj1JSTdldkRxE= Received: by 10.50.173.70 with SMTP id bi6mr186163igc.6.1336551902781; Wed, 09 May 2012 01:25:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.222.228 with SMTP id qp4ls288477igc.3.gmail; Wed, 09 May 2012 01:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.30.68 with SMTP id u4mr152160icc.1.1336551902044; Wed, 09 May 2012 01:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.30.68 with SMTP id u4mr152159icc.1.1336551902035; Wed, 09 May 2012 01:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f173.google.com (mail-ob0-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k13si1340756igc.1.2012.05.09.01.25.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 09 May 2012 01:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.173; Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id wd20so10890obb.32 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 01:25:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.12.6 with SMTP id u6mr31912580obb.12.1336551901846; Wed, 09 May 2012 01:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.124.42 with HTTP; Wed, 9 May 2012 01:25:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2280128.934.1336506234765.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbq19> References: <24427779.1345.1336480450165.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbfk16> <2280128.934.1336506234765.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbq19> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 09:25:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] What is the cmavo for converting brivla into an attitudinal? From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On 8 May 2012 20:43, ianek wrote: > {ki'ai} is of selma'o COI, so it's grammatical for it to convert brivla (or > even more complex selbri). So maybe the definition is misleading? Yes, it's classified as COI, while the actual definition says "attitudinal" (UI), which is usually differentiated from "vocative" (COI). Yes, a COI can grab a sumti or (if any) its content selbri / cmevla (without the gadri) to specify the referent of {do} that's implied by the meaning of the COI cmavo itself. But is that really a 'conversion'? mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.