Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:63308) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SS8ER-0003Gq-3n; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:51:13 -0700 Received: by ggke5 with SMTP id e5sf305222ggk.16 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:51:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Rw5hcUx9Ri8ZVPDyFH91beFnQ1IUQnXtrid6NFXnF78=; b=Zx24c4TqKQw0JAhTjZK3pEfq2Ss4hbd85Wt16dwG0hLUXMaG57vLMIam6eoTcXxJ3s JCfX1rtX6k8Fr3SUOgv1Gg/VGSqngtVntvG1uV1vWq0MciYCQuUEMUU2e2FpeFt97cA7 U8tL2azeCWRZ+DzhfyxRb7RMFEqc0YJSOTS7A= Received: by 10.236.191.65 with SMTP id f41mr56380yhn.0.1336575064308; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:51:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.82.206 with SMTP id o54ls4216078yhe.0.gmail; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.180.33 with SMTP id i21mr528517yhm.1.1336575063489; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.180.33 with SMTP id i21mr528515yhm.1.1336575063478; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie (cpe-069-132-101-103.carolina.res.rr.com. [69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a57si3030939yhh.5.2012.05.09.07.51.02; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from darner.ixazon.lan (darner.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.5]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C17C42144D for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 10:51:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] 'tesete' and cmavo cluster rules Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:50:35 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (DragonFly/3.1-DEVELOPMENT; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: <22560097.502.1336568142532.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yndm3> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201205091050.38310.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Wednesday, May 09, 2012 09:41:26 Jonathan Jones wrote: > As far as omitting denpabu, when in text there is any combination of ' ' > and '.', it is permissible to omit all of '.' and ' ' except one, such as > {la.djan. .uisai xruti .i mi mutce gleki} could be written as {la djan > uisai i mi mutce gleki}, {la.djan.uisai xruti.i mi mutce gleki}, etc. I > typically only omit either when there is a semantic(?) link between them, > and I always favor '.' over ' ', so my rendering would be {la.djan.uisai > xruti .i mi mutce gleki}. My reason for choosing to omit ' ' and not '.' = is > because when speaking, those pauses /must/ /still/ /be/ /"said"/, and > keeping the '.' in the written serves as a reminder of when you /must/ > pause. If a cmevla is followed by a word beginning with a vowel, I omit one of the= =20 denpa bu; which one is arbitrary. I omit the space only within a compound= =20 cmene (e.g. "misisipis.rirx", "kot.divu=E1r") or cmavo cluster (e.g. "na.e"= ,=20 "te.u"). So I'd write "la .djan. uisai xruti .i mi mutce gleki". Btw, it's "denpa bu", not "denpabu", which is a zi'evla. The proper brivla = is=20 "depybu'i". Pierre --=20 I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.