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    > >> . >> > > If you don't believe that you can own a pet, that's okay, that
    just >> means "la clalis ponse lo mlatu na'e bo la aionys" :-) >> (in any
    case, you're okay here, because "se dalpe'o" works, too. >> >> --gejyspa
   >> > > I think the relationship between a pet and it's caretaker is a unique
    bond > that has similarities to the relationship between a person and his
    friends, > and boss and her subordinates, and a person and his property,
   but is not > truly the same as any of these. But that's not really important,
    as it's a > philosophical opinion and we're discussing grammar. > > I agree.
    You're the one that said you didn't want to use "ponse" because of your philosophy.
    I merely point out that the te ponse enables you to limit the universe of
    who recognizes this ownership. In the eyes of the majority of cultures and
    governments, you can ponse lo dalpe'o. In some cultures, you can ponse lo
    gunka. In some, you can ponse lo fetspe, and in some, you can ponse lo panzi.
    But like I said, you can use "se dalpe'o", be uncontroversial and true to
    your philosophy. [...] 
 
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On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> .
>>
>
>    If you don't believe that you can own a pet, that's okay, that just
>> means "la clalis ponse lo mlatu na'e bo la aionys"  :-)
>>    (in any case, you're okay here, because "se dalpe'o" works, too.
>>
>>          --gejyspa
>>
>
> I think the relationship between a pet and it's caretaker is a unique bond
> that has similarities to the relationship between a person and his friends,
> and boss and her subordinates, and a person and his property, but is not
> truly the same as any of these. But that's not really important, as it's a
> philosophical opinion and we're discussing grammar.
>
>
  I agree.  You're the one that said you didn't want to use "ponse" because
of your philosophy.  I merely point out that the te ponse enables you to
limit the universe of who recognizes this ownership.  In the eyes of the
 majority of cultures and governments, you can ponse lo dalpe'o.  In some
cultures, you can ponse lo gunka.  In some, you can ponse lo fetspe, and in
some, you can ponse lo panzi.  But like I said, you can use "se dalpe'o",
be uncontroversial and true to your philosophy.

            --gejyspa

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, May 9, 2012 at =
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, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div></div><div>=A0 =A0If you don&#39;t believe that you c=
an own a pet, that&#39;s okay, that just means &quot;la clalis ponse lo mla=
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<div>=A0 =A0(in any case, you&#39;re okay here, because &quot;se dalpe&#39;=
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I think the relationship between a pet and it&#39;s caretaker is a unique=
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