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    >> > wrote: >> >>> If you don't believe that you can own a pet, that's okay,
    that just >>> means "la clalis ponse lo mlatu na'e bo la aionys" :-) >>>
   (in any case, you're okay here, because "se dalpe'o" works, too. >>> >>> --gejyspa
    >>> >> >> I think the relationship between a pet and it's caretaker is a
   unique >> bond that has similarities to the relationship between a person
   and his >> friends, and boss and her subordinates, and a person and his property,
    but >> is not truly the same as any of these. But that's not really important,
    as >> it's a philosophical opinion and we're discussing grammar. >> >> >
   I agree. You're the one that said you didn't want to use "ponse" > because
    of your philosophy. I merely point out that the te ponse enables > you to
    limit the universe of who recognizes this ownership. In the eyes of > the
    majority of cultures and governments, you can ponse lo dalpe'o. In > some
    cultures, you can ponse lo gunka. In some, you can ponse lo fetspe, > and
    in some, you can ponse lo panzi. But like I said, you can use "se > dalpe'o",
    be uncontroversial and true to your philosophy. > > --gejyspa > [...] 
 
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On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>    If you don't believe that you can own a pet, that's okay, that just
>>> means "la clalis ponse lo mlatu na'e bo la aionys"  :-)
>>>    (in any case, you're okay here, because "se dalpe'o" works, too.
>>>
>>>          --gejyspa
>>>
>>
>> I think the relationship between a pet and it's caretaker is a unique
>> bond that has similarities to the relationship between a person and his
>> friends, and boss and her subordinates, and a person and his property, but
>> is not truly the same as any of these. But that's not really important, as
>> it's a philosophical opinion and we're discussing grammar.
>>
>>
>   I agree.  You're the one that said you didn't want to use "ponse"
> because of your philosophy.  I merely point out that the te ponse enables
> you to limit the universe of who recognizes this ownership.  In the eyes of
> the  majority of cultures and governments, you can ponse lo dalpe'o.  In
> some cultures, you can ponse lo gunka.  In some, you can ponse lo fetspe,
> and in some, you can ponse lo panzi.  But like I said, you can use "se
> dalpe'o", be uncontroversial and true to your philosophy.
>
>             --gejyspa
>

Hooray for uncontroversial!

So, back to the pending changes list, it looks like everything is taken
care of now except for the elaboration on .xorxes. opinion that "lo se
nanca" in {lo mi'a tixnu cu zmadu lo mi'a bersa lo se nanca li vo} in panel
#72 doesn't make sense, and I'd also like to get more people's input on {lo
vi mlatu cu barda fi lo vu mlatu} vs. {lo vi mlatu cu bramau fi lo vu
mlatu} (and by extension, {lo vu mlatu cu cmalu fi lo vi mlatu} vs. {lo vu
mlatu cu cmamau fi lo vi mlatu}) in panel #31.

Perhaps someone else that shares .xorxes.' view would care to proffer an
explanation? I'm sure I'm not the only person here who'd like to get the
corrected comic out as soon as possible.

-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Michael Turnian=
sky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Wed, May 9=
, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"im">On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:=
31 AM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturnians=
ky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:=
<br></div>
</div><div class=3D"im"><div></div><div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div></div><div>=A0 =A0If you don&#39;t believe that you c=
an own a pet, that&#39;s okay, that just means &quot;la clalis ponse lo mla=
tu na&#39;e bo la aionys&quot; =A0:-)</div>
<div>=A0 =A0(in any case, you&#39;re okay here, because &quot;se dalpe&#39;=
o&quot; works, too.</div><div><br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa</=
div></div></blockquote></div><div><br>

I think the relationship between a pet and it&#39;s caretaker is a unique=
=20
bond that has similarities to the relationship between a person and his=20
friends, and boss and her subordinates, and a person and his property,=20
but is not truly the same as any of these. But that&#39;s not really=20
important, as it&#39;s a philosophical opinion and we&#39;re discussing gra=
mmar. <br></div></div></div><div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br=
></div><div>=A0 I agree. =A0You&#39;re the one that said you didn&#39;t wan=
t to use &quot;ponse&quot; because of your philosophy. =A0I merely point ou=
t that the te ponse enables you to limit the universe of who recognizes thi=
s ownership. =A0In the eyes of the =A0majority of cultures and governments,=
 you can ponse lo dalpe&#39;o. =A0In some cultures, you can ponse lo gunka.=
 =A0In some, you can ponse lo fetspe, and in some, you can ponse lo panzi. =
=A0But like I said, you can use &quot;se dalpe&#39;o&quot;, be uncontrovers=
ial and true to your philosophy. =A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa</div></div></div></bl=
ockquote><div><br>Hooray for uncontroversial!<br><br>So, back to the pendin=
g changes list, it looks like everything is taken care of now except for th=
e elaboration on .xorxes. opinion that &quot;lo se nanca&quot; in {lo mi&#3=
9;a tixnu cu zmadu lo mi&#39;a bersa lo se nanca li vo} in panel #72 doesn&=
#39;t make sense, and I&#39;d also like to get more people&#39;s input on {=
lo vi mlatu cu barda fi lo vu mlatu} vs. {lo vi mlatu cu bramau fi lo vu ml=
atu} (and by extension, {lo vu mlatu cu cmalu fi lo vi mlatu} vs. {lo vu ml=
atu cu cmamau fi lo vi mlatu}) in panel #31.<br>
<br>Perhaps someone else that shares .xorxes.&#39; view would care to proff=
er an explanation? I&#39;m sure I&#39;m not the only person here who&#39;d =
like to get the corrected comic out as soon as possible.<br></div></div>
<br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo piln=
o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Lu=
ke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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