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Content preview: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Michael Turniansky < >> mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Michael Turniansky < >>>> mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you don't believe that you can own a pet, that's okay, that just >>>>> means "la clalis ponse lo mlatu na'e bo la aionys" :-) >>>>> (in any case, you're okay here, because "se dalpe'o" works, too. >>>>> >>>>> --gejyspa >>>>> >>>> >>>> I think the relationship between a pet and it's caretaker is a unique >>>> bond that has similarities to the relationship between a person and his >>>> friends, and boss and her subordinates, and a person and his property, but >>>> is not truly the same as any of these. But that's not really important, as >>>> it's a philosophical opinion and we're discussing grammar. >>>> >>>> >>> I agree. You're the one that said you didn't want to use "ponse" >>> because of your philosophy. I merely point out that the te ponse enables >>> you to limit the universe of who recognizes this ownership. In the eyes of >>> the majority of cultures and governments, you can ponse lo dalpe'o. In >>> some cultures, you can ponse lo gunka. In some, you can ponse lo fetspe, >>> and in some, you can ponse lo panzi. But like I said, you can use "se >>> dalpe'o", be uncontroversial and true to your philosophy. >>> >>> --gejyspa >>> >> >> Hooray for uncontroversial! >> >> So, back to the pending changes list, it looks like everything is taken >> care of now except for the elaboration on .xorxes. opinion that "lo se >> nanca" in {lo mi'a tixnu cu zmadu lo mi'a bersa lo se nanca li vo} in panel >> #72 doesn't make sense, and I'd also like to get more people's input on {lo >> vi mlatu cu barda fi lo vu mlatu} vs. {lo vi mlatu cu bramau fi lo vu >> mlatu} (and by extension, {lo vu mlatu cu cmalu fi lo vi mlatu} vs. {lo vu >> mlatu cu cmamau fi lo vi mlatu}) in [...] Content analysis details: (2.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (eyeonus[at]gmail.com) -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.61 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FUZZY_CPILL BODY: Attempt to obfuscate words in spam 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 1.3 DRUGS_ERECTILE_OBFU Obfuscated reference to an erectile drug 2.2 DRUGS_ERECTILE Refers to an erectile drug --f46d04071487c0728f04bfa18f61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Michael Turniansky < >> mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Michael Turniansky < >>>> mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you don't believe that you can own a pet, that's okay, that just >>>>> means "la clalis ponse lo mlatu na'e bo la aionys" :-) >>>>> (in any case, you're okay here, because "se dalpe'o" works, too. >>>>> >>>>> --gejyspa >>>>> >>>> >>>> I think the relationship between a pet and it's caretaker is a unique >>>> bond that has similarities to the relationship between a person and his >>>> friends, and boss and her subordinates, and a person and his property, but >>>> is not truly the same as any of these. But that's not really important, as >>>> it's a philosophical opinion and we're discussing grammar. >>>> >>>> >>> I agree. You're the one that said you didn't want to use "ponse" >>> because of your philosophy. I merely point out that the te ponse enables >>> you to limit the universe of who recognizes this ownership. In the eyes of >>> the majority of cultures and governments, you can ponse lo dalpe'o. In >>> some cultures, you can ponse lo gunka. In some, you can ponse lo fetspe, >>> and in some, you can ponse lo panzi. But like I said, you can use "se >>> dalpe'o", be uncontroversial and true to your philosophy. >>> >>> --gejyspa >>> >> >> Hooray for uncontroversial! >> >> So, back to the pending changes list, it looks like everything is taken >> care of now except for the elaboration on .xorxes. opinion that "lo se >> nanca" in {lo mi'a tixnu cu zmadu lo mi'a bersa lo se nanca li vo} in panel >> #72 doesn't make sense, and I'd also like to get more people's input on {lo >> vi mlatu cu barda fi lo vu mlatu} vs. {lo vi mlatu cu bramau fi lo vu >> mlatu} (and by extension, {lo vu mlatu cu cmalu fi lo vi mlatu} vs. {lo vu >> mlatu cu cmamau fi lo vi mlatu}) in panel #31. >> >> Perhaps someone else that shares .xorxes.' view would care to proffer an >> explanation? I'm sure I'm not the only person here who'd like to get the >> corrected comic out as soon as possible. >> > > Oh yes, and what the fix is, if it isn't "loni se nanca". > Amendment: There's also the kansa/sepli thing. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d04071487c0728f04bfa18f61 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:= 40 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Michael Tu= rniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 9, 2012 a= t 10:52 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:31 AM, M= ichael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0 =A0If you don't believe that you c= an own a pet, that's okay, that just means "la clalis ponse lo mla= tu na'e bo la aionys" =A0:-)
=A0 =A0(in any case, you're okay here, because "se dalpe'= o" works, too.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

I think the relationship between a pet and it's caretaker is a unique= =20 bond that has similarities to the relationship between a person and his=20 friends, and boss and her subordinates, and a person and his property,=20 but is not truly the same as any of these. But that's not really=20 important, as it's a philosophical opinion and we're discussing gra= mmar.


=A0 I agree. =A0You're the one that said you did= n't want to use "ponse" because of your philosophy. =A0I mere= ly point out that the te ponse enables you to limit the universe of who rec= ognizes this ownership. =A0In the eyes of the =A0majority of cultures and g= overnments, you can ponse lo dalpe'o. =A0In some cultures, you can pons= e lo gunka. =A0In some, you can ponse lo fetspe, and in some, you can ponse= lo panzi. =A0But like I said, you can use "se dalpe'o", be u= ncontroversial and true to your philosophy. =A0

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

Hooray for uncontroversial!

So, back to the = pending changes list, it looks like everything is taken care of now except = for the elaboration on .xorxes. opinion that "lo se nanca" in {lo= mi'a tixnu cu zmadu lo mi'a bersa lo se nanca li vo} in panel #72 = doesn't make sense, and I'd also like to get more people's inpu= t on {lo vi mlatu cu barda fi lo vu mlatu} vs. {lo vi mlatu cu bramau fi lo= vu mlatu} (and by extension, {lo vu mlatu cu cmalu fi lo vi mlatu} vs. {lo= vu mlatu cu cmamau fi lo vi mlatu}) in panel #31.

Perhaps someone else that shares .xorxes.' view would care to proff= er an explanation? I'm sure I'm not the only person here who'd = like to get the corrected comic out as soon as possible.

Oh yes, and what the fix is,= if it isn't "loni se nanca".

Amendment: There's also the kansa/se= pli thing.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i= .e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o<= br> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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