Received: from mail-wg0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:33781) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SSNo4-0003Lt-W8; Thu, 10 May 2012 00:29:05 -0700 Received: by wgbdt10 with SMTP id dt10sf811919wgb.16 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 00:28:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=8tuTvWU9/5Mt1RVz0n9yPJKkllHI3eS5IxHDtc0+tPM=; b=4q1HZei60YlzLtKHzKjWTn8IIfT1pLVkyTRB8c/vxo8YqA0ZGghG1qmRvqpoYSArD9 n9H0pepyVz620EbpBlP2gSrYagesMt5DuEkC+/kBUEgSrdTHAIKkTMlVzW2MrLiyWkA+ AOmxrV6PBrZHJGJeR8uo1//3OMU3uoIl20Fyg= Received: by 10.204.153.196 with SMTP id l4mr132912bkw.17.1336634932971; Thu, 10 May 2012 00:28:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.130.88 with SMTP id r24ls4631451bks.4.gmail; Thu, 10 May 2012 00:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.122.65 with SMTP id gf1mr390676bkc.2.1336634931885; Thu, 10 May 2012 00:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.122.65 with SMTP id gf1mr390674bkc.2.1336634931862; Thu, 10 May 2012 00:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f173.google.com (mail-lb0-f173.google.com [209.85.217.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5si6095974bks.1.2012.05.10.00.28.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 May 2012 00:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.173; Received: by lbok6 with SMTP id k6so1054618lbo.32 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 00:28:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.103.199 with SMTP id fy7mr678171lab.48.1336634931474; Thu, 10 May 2012 00:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.22.68 with HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 00:28:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201205080025.44688.phma@phma.optus.nu> <12872840.1048.1336566301897.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjb15> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 01:28:51 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Reuse request From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0407148748f21a04bfa9921a X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0407148748f21a04bfa9921a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > So, in the course of making the corrections, I came across this little > snag: > > The man Zam is the brother of the husband of the daughter of the woman > Jin, which makes him Jin's son-in-law. > > In the original translation, I have {jy. be'aspe la.zam.}, which is > obviously wrong. > > So, let's see. {jy. mamta lo speni be lo bruna be la.zam.} is {jy. > be'aspemamta la.zam.}? Is there some way to make that shorter? Oops. I meant "bunspemamta What about getting rid of the "speni" part, which means leaving the "te bruna" implicit, and further removing the gender specificity, and going with "tubmamta"? -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d0407148748f21a04bfa9921a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Jonatha= n Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
So, in the course of making the corrections, I came across this little snag= :

The man Zam is the brother of the husband of the daughter of the w= oman Jin, which makes him Jin's son-in-law.

In the original tran= slation, I have {jy. be'aspe la.zam.}, which is obviously wrong.

So, let's see. {jy. mamta lo speni be lo bruna be la.zam.} is {jy. = be'aspemamta la.zam.}? Is there some way to make that shorter?

Oops. I meant "bunspemamta

What about= getting rid of the "speni" part, which means leaving the "t= e bruna" implicit, and further removing the gender specificity, and go= ing with "tubmamta"?

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Lu= ke, I am your father. :D )

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