Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f61.google.com ([209.85.215.61]:55781) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SSbuX-0003t1-Ng; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:32:42 -0700 Received: by laai10 with SMTP id i10sf347416laa.16 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:32:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=MhTViPkHrhhcLbsVbV9vv/EnUVEDP4wQBYA+ceDtQb4=; b=cQYyQhNeXrDrmPDM+EbMQhaCR3dFd3BUCeVUBr4lPoiCG58CvaDOscA9byu4QOM8eX P4kXwVXebe9tV6fqucy5y7Ww7tVnYVie0O7QFWNrINcdzzjqGnSgCgQ3dTmZe/djQ2WS huWnSbFUXwHA/rs2Bn9GbuRwcwTtqK/CkwJyc= Received: by 10.180.83.231 with SMTP id t7mr84583wiy.0.1336689149462; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:32:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.76.202 with SMTP id m10ls1414985wiw.1.canary; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.83.74 with SMTP id o10mr142299wiy.1.1336689148898; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.83.74 with SMTP id o10mr142298wiy.1.1336689148882; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com (mail-we0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u6si1144935wiz.1.2012.05.10.15.32.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 May 2012 15:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.171; Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id x9so876512wej.2 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:32:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.24.103 with SMTP id t7mr1717139wif.16.1336689148792; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.199.21 with HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:32:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201205080025.44688.phma@phma.optus.nu> <12872840.1048.1336566301897.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjb15> <3f2be27f-7c0e-459f-9b8a-f0a3b401cfb1@l15g2000vbv.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 16:32:28 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Reuse request From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c8060e390dd04bfb6313f X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d043c8060e390dd04bfb6313f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wro= te: > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jonathan Jones > wrote: > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas > > wrote: > >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Jonathan Jones > >> wrote: > >> > Regarding the kansa/sepli thing: > >> > > >> > I'm assuming that kansa/sepli in the other panels is good as is, > meaning > >> > the problem is only in panel #43, yes? > >> > >> I think the simxu forms make more sense in those too, but they are > >> tanru modifiers, so it could be anything. > > > > So you think simxu would be better in /every/ instance where I've used > > kansa? > > "kansi'u", not just "simxu", yes. But since most of them are tanru > modifiers it is not a big deal. > Which is good, because I'd rather stick with kansa in those tanru for the same reason I'd prefer to stick with barda in the earlier cat comparison. > >> "sepli" in the case of living in different houses is not really the > >> opposite of "kansa" though. It only seems to work because they are > >> neighbours, so separated by a wall or two. > > > > Okay, seriously, stop just saying "It shouldn't be X". I can't do > anything > > about it if you don't say what you think it should be. > > You could use "tolkansi'u xabju", but as I said, the picture does show > two houses one next to the other, so in that particular case "sepsi'u" > does apply too. > The x3 of sepli is the thing doing the seperating. In the English definition at least (It doesn't have a Lojban definition yet) the applicable te sepli are any of "partition/wall/gap/interval/separating medium". Would you disagree that {mi do sepli loka clabra}? (I probably could have come up with something better for "great distance", but meh.) > > ? Obviously I don't > > know what you think the appropriate choice is, or I would have used it, > so > > you need to /tell/ me. > > But it's your translation, not mine. When it comes to translations, > there are very rarely definitely right or wrong answers. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDa= s <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Regarding the kansa/sepli thing:
>> >
>> > I'm assuming that kansa/sepli in the other panels is good= as is, meaning
>> > the problem is only in panel #43, yes?
>>
>> I think the simxu forms make more sense in those too, but they are=
>> tanru modifiers, so it could be anything.
>
> So you think simxu would be better in /every/ instance where I've = used
> kansa?

"kansi'u", not just "simxu", yes. But since m= ost of them are tanru
modifiers it is not a big deal.

Which is good, bec= ause I'd rather stick with kansa in those tanru for the same reason I&#= 39;d prefer to stick with barda in the earlier cat comparison.
=A0
>> "sepli" in the case of living in different houses is not= really the
>> opposite of "kansa" though. It only seems to work becaus= e they are
>> neighbours, so separated by a wall or two.
>
> Okay, seriously, stop just saying "It sho= uldn't be X". I can't do anything
> about it if you don't say what you think it should be.

You could use "tolkansi'u xabju", but as I said, the pi= cture does show
two houses one next to the other, so in that particular case "sepsi= 9;u"
does apply too.

The x3 of sepli is the thing doing= the seperating. In the English definition at least (It doesn't have a = Lojban definition yet) the applicable te sepli are any of "partition/w= all/gap/interval/separating medium".

Would you disagree that {mi do sepli loka clabra}? (I probably could ha= ve come up with something better for "great distance", but meh.)<= br>=A0
> ? Obviously I don't
> know what you think the appropriate choice is, or I would have used it= , so
> you need to /tell/ me.

But it's your translation, not mine. When it comes to translation= s,
there are very rarely definitely right or wrong answers.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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