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On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>wro=
te:

> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote=
:
> >
> > The x3 of sepli is the thing doing the seperating. In the English
> definition
> > at least (It doesn't have a Lojban definition yet) the applicable te
> sepli
> > are any of "partition/wall/gap/interval/separating medium".
> >
> > Would you disagree that {mi do sepli loka clabra}? (I probably could ha=
ve
> > come up with something better for "great distance", but meh.)
>
> No, I would agree. But if you are happy with any true statement, then
> two people living together in the same house are also "sepli".
>

You have a point there.


> What I don't like much is "kansa" and "sepli" being contrasted as if
> they were antonyms, since they are not quite at the same level. But I
> do understand the difficulty of translating this since the comic was
> designed to show the contrast between two particular Ceqli words, not
> two Lojban words. What you could do is make this about "to'e" instead
> of about sepli vs. kansa, and then use "sepsi'u" and "tolsepsi'u" for
> the hands and "kansi'u" and "tolkansi'u" for xabju.
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>

You know, I actually really like that idea. I would want to do some
graphical editing for it, though, so that in both panels the "[to'e]
rodsi'u" are in the same order.

So, how about, respectively:

{lo mi xance cu sepsi'u .i lo mi xance cu *to'e* sepsi'u} (Picture edited
to reverse hands apart/together order.)
{ko'a kansi'u xabju .i ko'e *tol*kansi'u xabju)

Which has the additional benefit of showing that the valsi "to'e" and the
rafsi "tol" are equivalent?

--=20
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Jorge L=
lamb=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The x3 of sepli is the thing doing the seperating. In the English defi=
nition<br>
&gt; at least (It doesn&#39;t have a Lojban definition yet) the applicable =
te sepli<br>
&gt; are any of &quot;partition/wall/gap/interval/separating medium&quot;.<=
br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Would you disagree that {mi do sepli loka clabra}? (I probably could h=
ave<br>
&gt; come up with something better for &quot;great distance&quot;, but meh.=
)<br>
<br>
</div>No, I would agree. But if you are happy with any true statement, then=
<br>
two people living together in the same house are also &quot;sepli&quot;.<br=
></blockquote><div><br>You have a point there.<br>=A0</div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r=
gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">


What I don&#39;t like much is &quot;kansa&quot; and &quot;sepli&quot; being=
 contrasted as if<br>
they were antonyms, since they are not quite at the same level. But I<br>
do understand the difficulty of translating this since the comic was<br>
designed to show the contrast between two particular Ceqli words, not<br>
two Lojban words. What you could do is make this about &quot;to&#39;e&quot;=
 instead<br>
of about sepli vs. kansa, and then use &quot;sepsi&#39;u&quot; and &quot;to=
lsepsi&#39;u&quot; for<br>
the hands and &quot;kansi&#39;u&quot; and &quot;tolkansi&#39;u&quot; for xa=
bju.<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>You know, I actually really like that id=
ea. I would want to do some graphical editing for it, though, so that in bo=
th panels the &quot;[to&#39;e] rodsi&#39;u&quot; are in the same order.<br>
<br>So, how about, respectively:<br><br>{lo mi xance cu sepsi&#39;u .i lo m=
i xance cu <b><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(51=
,51,255)">to&#39;e</span></b><font color=3D"#000000"> sepsi&#39;u} (Picture=
 edited to reverse hands apart/together order.)<br>
{ko&#39;a kansi&#39;u xabju .i ko&#39;e </font><b><span style=3D"background=
-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(51,51,255)">tol</span></b><font color=3D"=
#000000">kansi&#39;u</font> xabju)<br><br>Which has the additional benefit =
of showing that the valsi &quot;to&#39;e&quot; and the rafsi &quot;tol&quot=
; are equivalent?<br clear=3D"all">
<br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo piln=
o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Lu=
ke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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