Received: from mail-fa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:48811) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SSfb1-0005S2-Tw; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:28:49 -0700 Received: by faaa5 with SMTP id a5sf1396367faa.16 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:28:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7dGX965L6aCQnRrbrK8NIgnGMRlmTWQa4bJcv5TVkjk=; b=k+gKd4w0Lnb2AZgTqW88fYMe86vGKkM0ki6U/pGtyX5fb96EdWGliuX91KKrhBioiq yOGpj7vIygaLwpvEy17+t1qCQXw2tVGkJTZsHwgh6JwgGtPjRyK5ERe5rvLq/NmGIU0f /Oc9slZP1k1aJYTkKgURi+MpFHDY2MIAkA5Rg= Received: by 10.204.136.208 with SMTP id s16mr290716bkt.10.1336703315801; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:28:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.130.88 with SMTP id r24ls5538656bks.4.gmail; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.152.217 with SMTP id h25mr882709bkw.3.1336703315084; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.152.217 with SMTP id h25mr882707bkw.3.1336703315069; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hy18si9209922bkc.2.2012.05.10.19.28.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 May 2012 19:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.174; Received: by lbbgm6 with SMTP id gm6so1916906lbb.5 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:28:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.23.200 with SMTP id o8mr2293811lbf.9.1336703314684; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.112.68 with HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:28:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201205080025.44688.phma@phma.optus.nu> <12872840.1048.1336566301897.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjb15> <3f2be27f-7c0e-459f-9b8a-f0a3b401cfb1@l15g2000vbv.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 23:28:34 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Reuse request From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas > wrote: >> >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Jonathan Jones >> wrote: >> > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> 54. cy: xu do'o se panzi >> >> =A0 =A0by: go'i .i mi'a se panzi lo cimei noi me pa nanla .e re nixli >> >> >> >> I think that expands as "noi me pa nanla gi'e me re nixli". >> > >> > I looked at that one, and in both camxes and jboski it parses as "me (= pa >> > nanla .e re nixli)". >> >> Of course. And "broda ko'a .e ko'e" also parses as "broda (ko'a .e >> ko'e)". I'm talking about what the ".e" short form expands to. It >> always expands to a bridi connective. > > I don't understand what you mean by this expansion thing, especially sinc= e > you seem to be contradicting yourself, as you previously said that ".e" > expands to ".ije". I should have said it expands to "ge [bridi] gi [bridi]", since in subordinate bridi ".ije" doesn't work. Every logical connective expands to a bridi connective. > Is there perhaps some site I can be directed to that explains this? I'm sure this is explained in the CLL chapter on connectives. >> > changing it to "... me pa nanla gi'e re nixli" (or "... je...") result= s >> > in >> > it not parsing in either, so I'm pretty sure my usage is correct in th= is >> > case. >> >> I don't understand what you mean. > > Neither "me pa nanla gi'e re nixli" nor "mi pa nanla je re nixli" parses = in > camxes or jboski. "noi ke'a me pa nanla .e re nixli -> "noi ke'a me pa nanla gi'e _me_ re nixli" -> "noi ge ke'a me pa nanla gi ke'a me re nixli" mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.