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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The question was: "I just found out that the two gismu {sampu} and {pluja} have a different number of sumit places. To me it seems that these two words are antonyms, so could it be that one place is superfluous (in one definition) or that one is lacking (in the other definition)?" 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To me it seems that=20 these two words are antonyms, so could it be that one place is=20 superfluous (in one definition) or that one is lacking (in the other=20 definition)?" =E2=80=94mu'o mi'e la selpa'i Am 11.05.2012 17:40, schrieb Michael Turniansky: > I knew the language was Esperanto, but I am curious what the=20 > original question was. Because your answer appears to imply that=20 > pluja and sampu are near synonyms, when in fact they are antonyms. Or=20 > was the question why one is not simply tol- the other? > --gejyspa > > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:29 PM, MorphemeAddict > wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Jonathan Jones > > wrote: > > What language is that, out of curiosity? > > > It's Esperanto. > > stevo > > > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM, MorphemeAddict > > wrote: > > Jes, la du gismuoj estas tre similaj unu al la alia. Sed > tio ne suficxe gravas por sxangxi la difinojn, kiuj estas > cxiukaze nesxangxeblaj. > > (Yes, the two gismu "sampu" and "pluja" are very similar > to each other. But that is not sufficiently important to > change the definitions, which are in any case baselined.) > > stevo > > > 2012/5/10 A J > > > Saluton, > > Mi dume lernas gismu-ojn kaj trovas ke du gismu SAMPU > kaj PLUJA havas diversan kvanton de sumti-lokoj. > > =C5=9Cajnas al mi ke la du vortoj estas antonimoj unu de = la > alia. =C4=88u ebleunu sumti-loko estas superflua a=C5=AD = unu > nenecesa? > > julin > > > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed > to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to > the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > > > > --=20 > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --------------060704010403090303000308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The question was: "I just found out that the two gismu {sampu} and {pluja} have a different number of sumit places. To me it seems that these two words are antonyms, so could it be that one place is superfluous (in one definition) or that one is lacking (in the other definition)?"

=E2=80=94mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

Am 11.05.2012 17:40, schrieb Michael Turniansky:
=C2=A0 I knew the language was Esperanto, but I am curious what the original question was. =C2=A0Because your answer appears to imply that pluja and sampu are near synonyms, when in fact they are antonyms. =C2=A0Or was the question why one is not simply tol- the other?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa


On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:29 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:


On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Jonathan Jones <e= yeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
What language is that, out of curiosity?

It's Esperanto.=C2=A0

stevo
=C2=A0


On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM, MorphemeAddict &l= t;lytlesw@gmail.com>= wrote:
Jes, la du gismuoj estas tre similaj unu al la alia. Sed tio ne suficxe gravas por sxangxi la difinojn, kiuj estas cxiukaze nesxangxeblaj.=C2=A0

(Yes, the two gismu "sampu" and "pluja" are very similar to each other. But that is not sufficiently important to change the definitions, which are in any case baselined.)

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