Received: from mail-fa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:48007) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SSwVR-0007lx-O1; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:32:14 -0700 Received: by faaa5 with SMTP id a5sf1907216faa.16 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:31:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=YYMaFvFammEoBU8JGL0KWJZsK1DwUkjRZHrzt2tXK8M=; b=2JtJj/RttLFHrLbjOe8WdA42pzVeIoDNDIWp4iuXpzsy6TEv5+G/vyiYFrqxEBhXtn C309YWAbfBp+/sBcbLjI/M98BpqVacJF4kY0IiKvxTs1dpIkGDFtXk8HkfX44g86Tkby wKXJwDSF+Et2TJT9nrSXzoMrHwOgWJjKkjFHo= Received: by 10.204.145.83 with SMTP id c19mr423974bkv.22.1336768317653; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:31:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.130.88 with SMTP id r24ls6145759bks.4.gmail; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.132.81 with SMTP id a17mr1294047bkt.4.1336768316876; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.132.81 with SMTP id a17mr1294045bkt.4.1336768316851; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f48.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f48.google.com [209.85.215.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hy18si12183920bkc.2.2012.05.11.13.31.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 May 2012 13:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.48; Received: by lagz14 with SMTP id z14so3045872lag.35 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:31:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.132.233 with SMTP id ox9mr6994475lab.4.1336768316372; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.22.68 with HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:31:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201205080025.44688.phma@phma.optus.nu> <12872840.1048.1336566301897.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjb15> <3f2be27f-7c0e-459f-9b8a-f0a3b401cfb1@l15g2000vbv.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 14:31:56 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Reuse request From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c6c4da4f78804bfc8a0b4 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d042c6c4da4f78804bfc8a0b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > #41 won't parse. [lo'i] is a LE, which expects a selbri (or a sumti, if > the inner quantifier is specified), but here you've got this list of sumti, > joined with [e]. > simxu1 needs to be a set, which is probably why you tried lo'i, but you > can simply illogically join the sumti in your list with [ce]. > [mi ce la djan ce la snime ce la flyfis] > > Also, sets can't be xabju1, but they can be simxu1. It turns out that the > real main-selbri that you want is simxu, and not xabju. > No, it turns out I want masses, not sets. > [kansi'u co xabju lo vu cmalu zdani] but I'd probably just add xabju into > the lujvo while I'm at it: [xa'urkansi'u] = x1 (set) live together at x2. > Same logic for [kansi'u citka] -> [ctikansi'u] > I had those lujvo in those panels. They were in the last jufra. I deleted the last jufra in both those panels because I decided that those lujvo were ugly and unlikely to be used in real conversation, and furthermore that the jufra themselves contributed nothing meaningful. So, no, I won't be putting them back into the comic. > As for your predicament which #54, why not just use mei2 ? [mi'a se panzi > lo cimei be pa nanla ce re nixli] > Because it doesn't fix the problem. > mu'o mi'e la tsani > > On 10 May 2012 23:16, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> Changes in *bold*: >> >> #41. *lo'i* mi .e la.djan. .e la snime .e la.flyfis. *ku* kans'iu xabju >> lo vu cmalu zdani >> >> #45. mi citka .i la.djan. citka .i mi *joi* dy. kansi'u citka >> >> #54. cy: xu do'o se panzi >> by: go'i .i mi'a se panzi lo cimei noi me *lo'i* pa nanla .e re nixli >> >> #56. lo mi'a bersa cu zvati ti .i lo go'i cu barda zmadu lo vu nanla .i >> se cmene zo.bil. .i la.bil. bersa mi'a .i *by. joi* mi'a kansi'u xabju >> lo mi'a zdani >> >> #58. lo mi'a re tixnu cu nixli .i lo go'i cu se cmene zo.grin. *fa'u*zo.salis. .i la.salis. mensi la.grin. .ije la.grin. mensi la.salis. .i re >> nixli cu mensi la.bil. >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Jacob Errington= <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
#41 won't parse. [lo'i] is a LE, which expects a selbri (or a sumti= , if the inner quantifier is specified), but here you've got this list = of sumti, joined with [e].=A0
simxu1 needs to be a set, which is probab= ly why you tried lo'i, but you can simply illogically join the sumti in= your list with [ce].
[mi ce la djan ce la snime ce la flyfis]

Also= , sets can't be xabju1, but they can be simxu1. It turns out that the r= eal main-selbri that you want is simxu, and not xabju.

No, it turns out I want masses, not sets.
=A0
[kansi'u co xabju lo vu cmal= u zdani] but I'd probably just add xabju into the lujvo while I'm a= t it: [xa'urkansi'u] =3D x1 (set) live together at x2.
Same logic for [kansi'u citka] -> [ctikansi'u]

I had those lujvo in those panels. They were in the last juf= ra. I deleted the last jufra in both those panels because I decided that th= ose lujvo were ugly and unlikely to be used in real conversation, and furth= ermore that the jufra themselves contributed nothing meaningful. So, no, I = won't be putting them back into the comic.
=A0
= As for your predicament which #54, why not just use mei2 ? [mi'a se pan= zi lo cimei be pa nanla ce re nixli]

Because it doesn't fix the problem.
=A0
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
mu'o mi'e la tsani

On 10 May 2012 23:16, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Changes in bold:

#41. lo'i mi .e la.djan. .e la sn= ime .e la.flyfis. ku kans'iu xabju lo vu cmalu zdani

#45.= mi citka .i la.djan. citka .i mi joi dy. kansi'u citka

#54. cy: xu do'o se panzi
=A0=A0=A0 by: go'i .i mi'a se panz= i lo cimei noi me lo'i pa nanla .e re nixli

#56. lo mi= 9;a bersa cu zvati ti .i lo go'i cu barda zmadu lo vu nanla .i se cmene= zo.bil. .i la.bil. bersa mi'a .i by. joi mi'a kansi'u x= abju lo mi'a zdani

#58. lo mi'a re tixnu cu nixli .i lo go'i cu se cmene zo.grin. = fa'u zo.salis. .i la.salis. mensi la.grin. .ije la.grin. mensi l= a.salis. .i re nixli cu mensi la.bil.


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.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&= #39;o
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