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On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:

>   "lo'i mi .e la djan" is not grammatical because "lo'i"  (being a LE) ca=
n
> only take a brivla (with perhaps an inner qualifier).  If followed by a
> KOhA, it will assume it's a "pe"-type qualifier (e.g. like "lo me gerku")=
.
>  lu'i on the otgher hand, specifically takes sumti and makes them into
> other sumti types.
>           --gejyspa
>

I see. So lo'i doesn't eat the whole thing, just the first thing until .e,
whereas lu'i does. It also turns out I didn't want lo'i because I wanted
loi, which means I actually wanted lu'o, because I got sets and masses
mixed up again.


> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>
>> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote=
:
>>
>>> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com=
>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:16 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Changes in bold:
>>>> >
>>>> > #41. lo'i mi .e la.djan. .e la snime .e la.flyfis. ku kans'iu xabju
>>>> lo vu
>>>> > cmalu zdani
>>>> >
>>>> > #54. cy: xu do'o se panzi
>>>> >     by: go'i .i mi'a se panzi lo cimei noi me lo'i pa nanla .e re
>>>> nixli
>>>>
>>>> Grammatically you need "lu'i ... [lu'u]" in those, not "lo'i ... ku",
>>>> but I don't think sets live in houses or have (this kind of) parents.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't see why it needs to be "lu'i" and not "lo'i". Isn't "lo'i X"
>>> "the set of X"?
>>>
>>
>> Does this have something to do with the difference between a "sumti6" an=
d
>> a "sumti2", and what do the # in "sumti#" mean in camxes anyway?
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Michael Turnian=
sky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 &quot;lo&#39;i mi .e la djan&quot; is not grammatical =
because &quot;lo&#39;i&quot; =A0(being a LE) can only take a brivla (with p=
erhaps an inner qualifier). =A0If followed by a KOhA, it will assume it&#39=
;s a &quot;pe&quot;-type=A0qualifier=A0(e.g. like &quot;lo me gerku&quot;).=
 =A0lu&#39;i on the otgher hand, specifically takes sumti and makes them in=
to other sumti types.<div>

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa</div></div></blockquote><div>=A0</div><div>I =
see. So lo&#39;i doesn&#39;t eat the whole thing, just the first thing unti=
l .e, whereas lu&#39;i does. It also turns out I didn&#39;t want lo&#39;i b=
ecause I wanted loi, which means I actually wanted lu&#39;o, because I got =
sets and masses mixed up again.<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On Fri, May 11, 201=
2 at 9:12 AM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonu=
s@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

</div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Jonathan Jones <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">ey=
eonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div>On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



<div>On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:16 AM, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Changes in bold:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; #41. lo&#39;i mi .e la.djan. .e la snime .e la.flyfis. ku kans&#39;iu =
xabju lo vu<br>
&gt; cmalu zdani<br>
&gt;<br>
</div><div>&gt; #54. cy: xu do&#39;o se panzi<br>
&gt; =A0=A0=A0 by: go&#39;i .i mi&#39;a se panzi lo cimei noi me lo&#39;i p=
a nanla .e re nixli<br>
<br>
</div>Grammatically you need &quot;lu&#39;i ... [lu&#39;u]&quot; in those, =
not &quot;lo&#39;i ... ku&quot;,<br>
but I don&#39;t think sets live in houses or have (this kind of) parents.<b=
r></blockquote></div><div><br>I don&#39;t see why it needs to be &quot;lu&#=
39;i&quot; and not &quot;lo&#39;i&quot;. Isn&#39;t &quot;lo&#39;i X&quot; &=
quot;the set of X&quot;?<br>


</div>
</div><div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>Does this have something to d=
o with the difference between a &quot;sumti6&quot; and a &quot;sumti2&quot;=
, and what do the # in &quot;sumti#&quot; mean in camxes anyway?</div>
</div><div>
<div><div><div class=3D"h5"><br clear=3D"all">
<br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo piln=
o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Lu=
ke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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