Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f61.google.com ([209.85.215.61]:56535) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1STCOY-0006po-6l; Sat, 12 May 2012 06:30:07 -0700 Received: by laai10 with SMTP id i10sf1313765laa.16 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 06:29:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EVla+Scwu5y+y4g8nidyYCQ7rlFcqRaQcb6+2gv3qZs=; b=By4sP/cubiQALFNRVISgzlEtXMXi0OPVWT1wK7Np5BSOGf4pRKEjHzAli5evymqCWR UprKhccd/8J4ZOWEpzxRE/l8j47pwFVnSkNkl7zTS6zFuLfccUDx/HSyLhxphcnPsqRy agq9K0fyKQvlAAKbpoTi3i6EOSzBAnRaajbOA= Received: by 10.204.152.3 with SMTP id e3mr39269bkw.31.1336829393823; Sat, 12 May 2012 06:29:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.8.149 with SMTP id h21ls6043466bkh.3.gmail; Sat, 12 May 2012 06:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.132.81 with SMTP id a17mr186819bkt.4.1336829392661; Sat, 12 May 2012 06:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.132.81 with SMTP id a17mr186818bkt.4.1336829392646; Sat, 12 May 2012 06:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f46.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ig3si14925571bkc.3.2012.05.12.06.29.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 12 May 2012 06:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.46; Received: by lahd3 with SMTP id d3so3035165lah.5 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 06:29:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.144.101 with SMTP id sl5mr1709470lab.51.1336829392168; Sat, 12 May 2012 06:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.112.68 with HTTP; Sat, 12 May 2012 06:29:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201205080025.44688.phma@phma.optus.nu> <12872840.1048.1336566301897.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjb15> <3f2be27f-7c0e-459f-9b8a-f0a3b401cfb1@l15g2000vbv.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 10:29:52 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Reuse request From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis wrote: > On 11 May 2012 08:46, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> BTW, I'm not sure it has ever been defined whether "lu'i ko'a .e ko'e" >> is the set whose elements are ko'a and ko'e and nothing else, or any >> set containing ko'a and ko'e. > > Whatever the interpretation, xorxes, how would you go expanding > {lu'i ko'a .e ko'e broda} to a bridi connective? "lu'i" is basically "lo selcmi be" (plus some considerations), so: lu'i ko'a .e ko'e =3D lo selcmi be ko'a .e ko'e =3D zo'e noi ke'a selcmi ko'a .e ko'e =3D zo'e noi ge ke'a selcmi ko'a gi ke'a selcmi ko'e That results in the "any set containing" interpretation. The other interpretation requires a more complicated definition of "lu'i", something like "lo selcmi be ... .e no drata be ri". mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.