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> The reason he says {mi'a ponse
> lo xunre jipci je bakni} is false is because he is referring to them as
> individuals.

So if I'm referring to them as a group, then {mi'a ponse lo xunre
jipci je bakni} is true, right? And the sentence is not wrong, only
one interpretation is wrong? Oh, how I love Lojban, the unambiguous
language.

On 17 Maj, 09:50, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:18 AM, ianek <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Also, I still don't see any difference in meaning between {broda} and
> > {me lo broda}.
>
> Well, obviously, it's the place structure.

Of course I knew that, I meant the semantics of the x1 place.

> {mi klama} means "I go from somewhere to somewhere by some route using some
> means"/"I am-a-go-er from somewhere to somewhere by some route using some
> means" (and all the various different tenses of those).
>
> {mi me lo klama} means "I am amongst-those-that-are-(something that goes
> from somewhere to somewhere by some route using some means) in some aspect".
>
> You have to remember that unfilled places are always implicitly filled with
> "zo'e", as well, so those two above are actually {mi klama zo'e zo'e zo'e
> zo'e} and {mi me lo klama be zo'e bei zo'e bei zo'e bei zo'e be'o zo'e},
> respectively.

I remember that, obviously.
That doesn't answer my question. If I go, then I'm amongst those that
are goers. If I'm amongst those that are goers, then I go. Am I right?
If so, then there's no difference in meaning of the x1 place between
{klama} and {me lo klama}. And the meaning of me2 is very unclear, as
I remember from the discussion about it here.

mu'o mi'e ianek

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