Received: from mail-lb0-f189.google.com ([209.85.217.189]:56138) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SdU8t-0006Cw-Mv; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:28:30 -0700 Received: by lbol5 with SMTP id l5sf1576359lbo.16 for ; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:28:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=tljb6645OHK0dpLS/ymToDNEEhWDLZh4toMv3A0YbGI=; b=1eha7TRGMVi/tKPhH/UGP39vbei4m9a3+9hhfJLdrX1NL9w0wPQ6J7c2Bwo+B/6dPo xBi1R/N9n7Tl3mfzMYs7W30sU1lNffZ6rtI65KCfKqTWZLDZgCNELZi0GTxDmojCyP5N EZQvAaUAyEueomM6ZGJL8U9IIVNFXjSiSVSp8= Received: by 10.204.155.143 with SMTP id s15mr855406bkw.3.1339280895132; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:28:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.8.149 with SMTP id h21ls3925388bkh.3.gmail; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.157.134 with SMTP id b6mr2519679bkx.5.1339280894274; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.157.134 with SMTP id b6mr2519678bkx.5.1339280894246; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f175.google.com (mail-lb0-f175.google.com [209.85.217.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ig3si8770296bkc.3.2012.06.09.15.28.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.175; Received: by lbol5 with SMTP id l5so2232387lbo.20 for ; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:28:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.144.133 with SMTP id sm5mr13047344lab.4.1339280893719; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:28:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <49fb69ac-128f-4187-ad45-3f6e66155ae7@googlegroups.com> <201206061549.33937.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:28:13 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Bilingual version of Terry the Tiger From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f234963ecb38d04c211a1a6 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f234963ecb38d04c211a1a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is also a blank line between the entry for fu'a and pu on the same page. There are no black lines between any other entries, leading me to believe this is also a typesetting error. Further, I suggest using the simplified gismudefinitions rather than the full definitions purely for reasons of possible confusion/frustration. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > You have a typesetting error on page 5: > > tu'a > The bridi implied by. tu=92a can be translated as =93some abstraction > associated with...=94, or more colloquially, =93some > stuff about...=94. tu=92a is easily the most popular way of dealing with > abstractions you wish weren=92t there in Lojban; > Lojban sentences using it come out fairly similar to the natural language > sentences without abstractions that > we=92re used to seeing. So the usual Lojban for =93Jyoti is interesting= =94 is > *tu=92a la djiotis. cinri* > > "*tu=92a la djiotis. cinri*" should be on the same line as the rest of th= e > sentence it is a part of. This would have the additional benefit of > removing the one line 7th page. > > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >> On Monday 04 June 2012 21:03:10 =C1lvaro Vallejo wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > I've posted a bilingual version of Terry the Tiger visits the big city >> (la >> > teris. po'u lo tirxu cu vitke zi'o le barda tcadu) with explained >> > vocabulary in the Lojban.org website, Lojbanic texts section: >> > >> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=3D887= &down >> >load=3Dy . >> >> xirmrxipotigre: you may want to mention that "hippotigris" also means >> "tiger >> horse", in the opposite order. "Hippos" is Greek, not Latin (which >> is "equus"). >> >> cicricfoi: s/cicle/cilce/ >> >> teltcidu: "tel" is the rafsi of "stela", not "te". Should be "tertcidu". >> >> On Wednesday 06 June 2012 14:53:57 Remo Dentato wrote: >> > I find it great! I really think we need more material like this. >> >> +1 >> >> Pierre >> -- >> The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --e89a8f234963ecb38d04c211a1a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is also a blank line between the entry for fu'a and pu on the sam= e page. There are no black lines between any other entries, leading me to b= elieve this is also a typesetting error.

Further, I suggest using th= e simplified gismu defin= itions rather than the full definitions purely for reasons of possible conf= usion/frustration.

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Jonathan Jon= es <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
You have a typesetting error on page 5:

tu'a
The bridi implie= d by. tu=92a can be translated as =93some abstraction associated with...=94= , or more colloquially, =93some
stuff about...=94. tu=92a is easily the= most popular way of dealing with abstractions you wish weren=92t there in = Lojban;
Lojban sentences using it come out fairly similar to the natural language s= entences without abstractions that
we=92re used to seeing. So the usual= Lojban for =93Jyoti is interesting=94 is
tu=92a la djiotis. cinri

"tu=92a la djiotis. cinri" should be on the same line = as the rest of the sentence it is a part of. This would have the additional= benefit of removing the one line 7th page.


On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>= wrote:
On Monday 04 June 2012 21:03:10 =C1lvaro Vallejo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've posted a bilingual version of Terry the Tiger visits the big = city (la
> teris. po'u lo tirxu cu vitke zi'o le barda tcadu) with explai= ned
> vocabulary in the Lojban.org website, Lojbanic texts section:
> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-d= ownload_wiki_attachment.php?attId=3D887&down
>load=3Dy .

xirmrxipotigre: you may want to mention that "hippotigris" = also means "tiger
horse", in the opposite order. "Hippos" is Greek, not Latin = (which
is "equus").

cicricfoi: s/cicle/cilce/

teltcidu: "tel" is the rafsi of "stela", not "te&q= uot;. Should be "tertcidu".

On Wednesday 06 June 2012 14:53:57 Remo Dentato wrote:
> I find it great! I really think we need more material like this.

+1

Pierre
--
The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain.

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--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

= .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'= o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )




--
mu'o mi= 'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.l= uk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. = :D )

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