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On 15 Cze, 14:03, Sebastian <so.cool....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've noticed that the most common article for abstractions is le. Could s=
omebody explain why?
> What's the difference between "mi nelci le nu mi bajra" and "mi nelci lo =
nu bajra"?

You're probably reading texts from before xorlo (http://www.lojban.org/
tiki/How+to+use+xorlo), {le} is not so common now.
Rule of thumb is, {le} refers to a specific object/abstract you have
in mind. In this case it's a specific event of running, probably known
from context. So the former would be "I like that I'm running" [or
"will be running" or "was running" etc., depending of the time of the
event] and the latter -- "I like running" (probably, because {lo} is
*not* an indefinite article; it has undefined definiteness).

mu'o mi'e ianek

> Thanks in advance (how do you say go'i in lojban?)

uinai mi na djuno

> /jongausib
>
> Skickat fr=E5n min iPhone
>
> 15 jun 2012 kl. 08:22 skrev ianek <jane...@gmail.com>:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > You're very right.
>
> > On 15 Cze, 07:51, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> True, but regardless, you still have to lo (or le, or la) to make it a
> >> sumti. In your example, the nu converts the bridi into an event, and t=
he lo
> >> converts the event into a sumti.
>
> >> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:18 PM, ianek <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> It depends on what you want to achieve. If you want a sumti with
> >>> filled other places, do as aionys says. If you want an abstraction (t=
o
> >>> refer to an event, fact, property etc.) you have to use some
> >>> abstractor, like {lo nu ko'a broda ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u [kei]} to refe=
r
> >>> to an event described by the bridi.
>
> >>> mu'o mi'e ianek
>
> >>> On 15 Cze, 00:32, Jaiden Bell <azurit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Can anyone help me understand how to turn a bridi into a sumti?
>
> >>>> Thanks in advance.
>
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>
> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
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