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We jbopre don't seem to have a lot of set phrases. This is most likely
because of how young the language is, but it's still somewhat troublesome.

I'm no linguist, but I think we'd be hard-pressed to find a natural
language, or even a sufficiently old constructed language (such as
Esperanto), that does not have set phrases.

For instance, in English, we have "howdy", which comes from "How do you
do?" but is used in the same manner as "hello". I'm sure given a bit of
thought, each of you could come up with any number of similar examples in
any number of languages. Japanese is chock-full of them, for instance.

One of the nice things about set phrases is that the connotational meaning
of the phrase does not need to be exactly what the denotational meaning is.
The other advantage is that set phrases are usually short and sweet.

I'm certain that, at least on IRC, there are at some phrases we tend to use
for one thing or another. Do we have a place where these set phrases are
listed?

The thing that brought this up in my mind was specifically my response to
the question of how to say "Thanks in advance" in Lojban.

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> Usually we just say {ki'e} for "thank you". I would probably go with {pu
> ki'e}, as a shortening of {pu nunja'e zo'e ki'e} or possibly {pu zo'e jalge
> ki'e}.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 6:46 AM, selpa'i <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:
>
>> Am 15.06.2012 14:03, schrieb Sebastian:
>>
>>> Thanks in advance (how do you say go'i in lojban?)
>>>
>>
>> .i ckire fi lo nu da'i do spuda
>>
>> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>>
>> --
>> .i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u
>> .i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla
>> .i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata
>>
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We jbopre don&#39;t seem to have a lot of set phrases. This is most likely =
because of how young the language is, but it&#39;s still somewhat troubleso=
me.<br><br>I&#39;m no linguist, but I think we&#39;d be hard-pressed to fin=
d a natural language, or even a sufficiently old constructed language (such=
 as Esperanto), that does not have set phrases.<br>
<br>For instance, in English, we have &quot;howdy&quot;, which comes from &=
quot;How do you do?&quot; but is used in the same manner as &quot;hello&quo=
t;. I&#39;m sure given a bit of thought, each of you could come up with any=
 number of similar examples in any number of languages. Japanese is chock-f=
ull of them, for instance.<br>
<br>One of the nice things about set phrases is that the connotational mean=
ing of the phrase does not need to be exactly what the denotational meaning=
 is. The other advantage is that set phrases are usually short and sweet.<b=
r>
<br>I&#39;m certain that, at least on IRC, there are at some phrases we ten=
d to use for one thing or another. Do we have a place where these set phras=
es are listed?<br><br>The thing that brought this up in my mind was specifi=
cally my response to the question of how to say &quot;Thanks in advance&quo=
t; in Lojban.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Jonathan Jo=
nes <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex">
Usually we just say {ki&#39;e} for &quot;thank you&quot;. I would probably =
go with {pu ki&#39;e}, as a shortening of {pu nunja&#39;e zo&#39;e ki&#39;e=
} or possibly {pu zo&#39;e jalge ki&#39;e}.<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=
=3D"h5">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 6:46 AM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:m3o@plasmatix.com" target=3D"_blank">m3o@plasmatix.com</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div>Am 15.06.2012 14:03, schrieb Sebastian:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Thanks in advance (how do you say go&#39;i in lojban?)<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
.i ckire fi lo nu da&#39;i do spuda<br>
<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
-- <br>
.i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la&#39;e di&#39;u<br>
.i ba bo mi va&#39;o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla<br>
.i va&#39;o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata</font></span><div><di=
v><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br></div></div><div c=
lass=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>=
.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;=
o<br>
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