Received: from mail-ee0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]:34431) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SieyV-0004h6-Pt; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:03:09 -0700 Received: by eekb57 with SMTP id b57sf2135517eek.16 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:02:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=35Yf966EEFPsGDWYR8NdgtPHy5vEqFgf0WkLS2SyIwg=; b=UrEzgm7HJ/Rbol5/KplqUxQqDq3vPNSSXzPI5ptVIRS/kAqSleAkM2y+8LN3Nm5IW+ m/IbUDcuqtvrc/u/QfPyuh1zHRrdCD6mZYslh8KYo6YWiyYhox06bXYPx+wjvcu7WFwY ZrLGgXa/luPDD+nyu5i9C++sO/NyoLcnuOu7w= Received: by 10.204.154.19 with SMTP id m19mr330301bkw.7.1340514174877; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:02:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.154.21 with SMTP id m21ls2740028bkw.2.gmail; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.141.4 with SMTP id k4mr792670bku.6.1340514173382; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.141.4 with SMTP id k4mr792669bku.6.1340514173358; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5si9703123bks.1.2012.06.23.22.02.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.174; Received: by lbbgm6 with SMTP id gm6so5213119lbb.19 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:02:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.146.169 with SMTP id td9mr7383623lab.42.1340514172702; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:02:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 23:02:52 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] my first translation From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f234589148e4404c330c7fc X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f234589148e4404c330c7fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 One more thing: don't feel discouraged because your first translation attempt didn't pan out. Rather, use the experience as guidance for future attempts. It is my belief that translation is one of the best ways to learn. to pu benji ti fo lo mi me la.android. fonxa toi mu'o mi'e.aionys. On Jun 23, 2012 10:40 PM, "Devin Prater" wrote: > OK, thank you! I will probably need to learn more Lojban before trying > other translations. I used the Lojban-English/English-Lojban > dictionary for most of the gismu/lujvo. > > On 6/23/12, .arpis. wrote: > > ki'e sai .aionys. > > > > I found that extremely informative and would appreciate any similar > > description for future translations you do that you are willing to > > provide. > > .i mi mutce se jungau gi'e ba da'i ckire tu'a lo simsa velski be lo nu > > ba xe fanva ku ku poi do nalpro fi lo nu sabji > > > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Jonathan Jones > wrote: > >> That's actually the reason behind me going through my thought process, > >> rather than merely submitting my translation. This is not the first > >> translation project I've attempted, nor likely the last, so I have some > >> experience in hte hidden difficulties that lie within. > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Devin Prater > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Wow. You've given me some insight on the translation process, that I > >>> shouldn't translate just the words, but the true meaning, which is a > >>> little tricky sometimes, like with lower your shields. I think I > >>> should learn more Lojban before tackling things like this, I thought > >>> this would be quite simple. > >>> > >>> On 6/23/12, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >>> > I made a rather annoying mistake. I completely forgot to separate the > >>> > two > >>> > sentences. There needs to be an {.i} in there. > >>> > > >>> > {mi'a selcme zo.borg. *.i* ko sisti lonu nensabji lo nencalku kei > gi'e > >>> > radydu'a lo do keslo'i} > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > >>> > > >>> > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > >>> > (Come to the Dot Side! 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One more thing: don't feel discouraged because your first translatio= n attempt didn't pan out. Rather, use the experience as guidance for fu= ture attempts.

It is my belief that translation is one of the best ways to learn.

to pu benji ti fo lo mi me la.android. fonxa toi
mu'o mi'e.aionys.

On Jun 23, 2012 10:40 PM, "Devin Prater&quo= t; <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com= > wrote:
OK, thank you! I will probably need to learn more Lojban before trying
other translations. I used the Lojban-English/English-Lojban
dictionary for most of the gismu/lujvo.

On 6/23/12, .arpis. <rp= glover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
> ki'e sai .aionys.
>
> I found that extremely informative and would appreciate any similar > description for future translations you do that you are willing to
> provide.
> .i mi mutce se jungau gi'e ba da'i ckire tu'a lo simsa vel= ski be lo nu
> ba xe fanva ku ku poi do nalpro fi lo nu sabji
>
> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That's actually the reason behind me going through my thought = process,
>> rather than merely submitting my translation. This is not the firs= t
>> translation project I've attempted, nor likely the last, so I = have some
>> experience in hte hidden difficulties that lie within.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow. You've given me some insight on the translation proce= ss, that I
>>> shouldn't translate just the words, but the true meaning, = which is a
>>> little tricky sometimes, like with lower your shields. I think= I
>>> should learn more Lojban before tackling things like this, I t= hought
>>> this would be quite simple.
>>>
>>> On 6/23/12, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > I made a rather annoying mistake. I completely forgot to = separate the
>>> > two
>>> > sentences. There needs to be an {.i} in there.
>>> >
>>> > {mi'a selcme zo.borg. *.i* ko sisti lonu nensabji lo = nencalku kei gi'e
>>> > radydu'a lo do keslo'i}
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>> >
>>> > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. m= i patfu do zo'o
>>> > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to t= he Google
>>> > Groups
>>> > "Lojban Beginners" group.
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>>> > lojb= an-beginners@googlegroups.com.
>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
>>> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
>>> > For more options, visit this group at
>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginner= s?hl=3Den.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o
>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>
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>
>
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